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That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone. Also, as you

by fuzzy2 5y ago

That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone. Also, as you can see in a screenshot on TFA: Some services are simply dirt cheap. The storage account and its various “sub-services” is such a thing. It’s hard to compete with dedicated hardware here. Depending on your dedicated hosting provider, the traffic cost trap exists, too. Hetzner is a bit of a special case.

creshal 5y ago
> That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone. Hetzner also offers managed servers where all this is taken care of, for relatively fair prices.
- deleted 5y ago
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- sourcecodeplz 5y ago
  Basically the $40 server becomes $80 when managed by them.
  - KingOfCoders 5y ago
    You can use their cloud offering $4/month, 20TB traffic.
ghughes 5y ago
> ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc These things are now trivial enough that it doesn't make sense to pay 10x the cost of bare metal for a cloud provider to solve them for you unless you have a crazy amount of runway or absolutely no idea what you're doing.
- snovv_crash 5y ago
  Or unless your traffic is so low that the marginal cost differences are something you can swallow. I've been running something on AppEngine for 10 years and it costs me less than $1 a month. Not sure I could find a cheaper VPS. On the other hand, I also manage a Mediawiki install, and a cheap Hetzner VPS works great for this.
dx034 5y ago
Most cloud users will have a VM somewhere which you also have to manage.
- stickfigure 5y ago
  Not at all. GCP, AWS, and Digital Ocean all have PaaS/serverless systems that eliminate the concept of VM (from your perspective). I haven't managed a production VM in many years.
  - PetahNZ 5y ago
    Even Elastic Beanstalk, which is just EC2 instances have a checkbox for automatic 0 down time updates.
    - Nextgrid 5y ago
      Debian and derivatives have unattended-upgrades too.
sildur 5y ago
> That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone. apt install unattended-upgrades. And Hetzner's firewall.
- dx034 5y ago
  And cloudflare tunnel which allows you to block even ports 80 and 443. The only attack vector is then through ssh but with passwords disabled I wouldn't worry too much about that.
- speedgoose 5y ago
  By the way, unattended-upgrades is enabled by default nowadays.
FpUser 5y ago
>"That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone." Typical FUD. On modern servers and the type of software it occupies very little time. You'd spend more managing your cloud architecture.
BlueTemplar 5y ago
Arguably Hetzner is a cloud operator too. I guess it's a spectrum...

by fuzzy2 5y ago

creshal 5y ago

> That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone. Hetzner also offers managed servers where all this is taken care of, for relatively fair prices.

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sourcecodeplz 5y ago
Basically the $40 server becomes $80 when managed by them.
- KingOfCoders 5y ago
  You can use their cloud offering $4/month, 20TB traffic.

ghughes 5y ago

> ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc These things are now trivial enough that it doesn't make sense to pay 10x the cost of bare metal for a cloud provider to solve them for you unless you have a crazy amount of runway or absolutely no idea what you're doing.

snovv_crash 5y ago
Or unless your traffic is so low that the marginal cost differences are something you can swallow. I've been running something on AppEngine for 10 years and it costs me less than $1 a month. Not sure I could find a cheaper VPS. On the other hand, I also manage a Mediawiki install, and a cheap Hetzner VPS works great for this.

dx034 5y ago

Most cloud users will have a VM somewhere which you also have to manage.

stickfigure 5y ago
Not at all. GCP, AWS, and Digital Ocean all have PaaS/serverless systems that eliminate the concept of VM (from your perspective). I haven't managed a production VM in many years.
- PetahNZ 5y ago
  Even Elastic Beanstalk, which is just EC2 instances have a checkbox for automatic 0 down time updates.
  - Nextgrid 5y ago
    Debian and derivatives have unattended-upgrades too.

sildur 5y ago

> That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone. apt install unattended-upgrades. And Hetzner's firewall.

dx034 5y ago
And cloudflare tunnel which allows you to block even ports 80 and 443. The only attack vector is then through ssh but with passwords disabled I wouldn't worry too much about that.
speedgoose 5y ago
By the way, unattended-upgrades is enabled by default nowadays.

FpUser 5y ago

>"That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone." Typical FUD. On modern servers and the type of software it occupies very little time. You'd spend more managing your cloud architecture.

BlueTemplar 5y ago

Arguably Hetzner is a cloud operator too. I guess it's a spectrum...