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> Sustainable investors Why is this a thing? Sounds like something that limits the investor in his investment choices.

hobofan 5y ago
Because the market (= retail investors and "green" companies) demands it.
turbinerneiter 5y ago
Some people think long term profits can only happen in a non-apocalyptic world, so they try to let humanity stay alive, I guess.
- seppel 5y ago
  This seems to be build on the (IMHO wrong) premise that non-investing it will somehow change the minds of these non-sustainable businesses, where in reality, by investing into a business, you get voting rights to actually influence in which direction a business is heading. Thinking about it the other way: By not investing is such non-sustainable companies, only the people who don't care will do. And they will actually get the companies are a discount.
  - turbinerneiter 5y ago
    Sure. But the companies who actually do good stuff need money and I'd rather give it to them than the others. I also think that investing in these companies will rather change you than you will change them.
    - seppel 5y ago
      When you are buying shares on the stock market, you are not giving money to a company but to the previous owner of the shares.
  - piva00 5y ago
    > by investing into a business, you get voting rights to actually influence in which direction a business is heading. Or you just get entangled in the political battles already happening in that company, which will take more effort and time to untangle to enable you to actually steer the ship into some kind of sustainable business. So not only you'll be fighting the lack of a sustainability mindset/processes but all the entrenched political powers that made this mindset be realised. Throwing good money at bad stuff is not really a good prospect for investing, better to invest in places that aren't dirty from the get-go.
    - seppel 5y ago
      Or you can just handover your voting rights of your shares to some NGO.
dr_dshiv 5y ago
Ever heard of an investment thesis or focus? You don't have to be an altruist to realize that massive investments and huge markets are being made in sustainability. How many pledged net zero companies are there? How many governments have committed billions? Carbon markets are booming, for one, and there aren't enough effective projects to accept the money.

Because the market (= retail investors and "green" companies) demands it.

Some people think long term profits can only happen in a non-apocalyptic world, so they try to let humanity stay alive, I guess.

seppel 5y ago
This seems to be build on the (IMHO wrong) premise that non-investing it will somehow change the minds of these non-sustainable businesses, where in reality, by investing into a business, you get voting rights to actually influence in which direction a business is heading. Thinking about it the other way: By not investing is such non-sustainable companies, only the people who don't care will do. And they will actually get the companies are a discount.
- turbinerneiter 5y ago
  Sure. But the companies who actually do good stuff need money and I'd rather give it to them than the others. I also think that investing in these companies will rather change you than you will change them.
  - seppel 5y ago
    When you are buying shares on the stock market, you are not giving money to a company but to the previous owner of the shares.
- piva00 5y ago
  > by investing into a business, you get voting rights to actually influence in which direction a business is heading. Or you just get entangled in the political battles already happening in that company, which will take more effort and time to untangle to enable you to actually steer the ship into some kind of sustainable business. So not only you'll be fighting the lack of a sustainability mindset/processes but all the entrenched political powers that made this mindset be realised. Throwing good money at bad stuff is not really a good prospect for investing, better to invest in places that aren't dirty from the get-go.
  - seppel 5y ago
    Or you can just handover your voting rights of your shares to some NGO.

dr_dshiv 5y ago

Ever heard of an investment thesis or focus? You don't have to be an altruist to realize that massive investments and huge markets are being made in sustainability. How many pledged net zero companies are there? How many governments have committed billions? Carbon markets are booming, for one, and there aren't enough effective projects to accept the money.