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ok people mostly look at “imprison everyone policy” and say that the long tail effects, due to the structure of our prison system, and ongoing marginalization,

ok people mostly look at “imprison everyone policy” and say that the long tail effects, due to the structure of our prison system, and ongoing marginalization, result in just disrupted families undermining the productivity and security of our society in that way you’re leaning on “just dont do crime” without acknowledging the distribution of jailable offenses committed is distributed across all demographics, with a disproportionate reality of which demographics actually get jailed I’m not distracting I’m saying another solution is likely relevant, such as how sentencing is done, how rehabilitation is done, how reintegration is done. Right now we dont rehabilitate people, we throw them in a hell and say “welp dont do crime” (exhibit a) and after their “rehabilitation” then permenantly strip them of rights, access to capital, limit their access to property, where they can live, and most of the private sector wont employ them, and then get surprised when someone gets robbed of valuables. So thats not working either. Need a patch for that.

xyzzyz 5y ago
> result in just disrupted families No, these families are never formed in the first place, even before people go to jail. Go look up what’s the rate of out of wedlock births these days, especially among demographics most likely to be imprisoned. > without acknowledging the distribution of jailable offenses committed is distributed across all demographics, with a disproportionate reality of which demographics actually get jailed What’s there to acknowledge? The demographics most likely to do crime is most likely to be imprisoned, what’s your point here? > I’m saying another solution is likely relevant, such as how sentencing is done, how rehabilitation is done, how reintegration is done. Last time I saw a criminal justice strategy like that implemented, “defund the police”, it ended up disastrous. What reason I have to believe that your other theories are not just as bad? I look at those places pioneering in these new strategies, like SF and LA, and from what I can tell, these are exactly counterproductive. > Right now we dont rehabilitate people, we throw them in a hell and say “welp dont do crime” (exhibit a) and after their “rehabilitation” then (…) If only there was a way they could avoid having that happen to them. Alas, since the criminals are just victims of circumstance, bereft of any agency, shooting other people on the street is just something that happens to them.
- vmception 5y ago
  Defund the police has nothing to do with sentencing and rehabilitation. You are procedurally generating random talking points to intentionally talk past each other. False dilemmas are often intentional so I’m out.

xyzzyz 5y ago

> result in just disrupted families No, these families are never formed in the first place, even before people go to jail. Go look up what’s the rate of out of wedlock births these days, especially among demographics most likely to be imprisoned. > without acknowledging the distribution of jailable offenses committed is distributed across all demographics, with a disproportionate reality of which demographics actually get jailed What’s there to acknowledge? The demographics most likely to do crime is most likely to be imprisoned, what’s your point here? > I’m saying another solution is likely relevant, such as how sentencing is done, how rehabilitation is done, how reintegration is done. Last time I saw a criminal justice strategy like that implemented, “defund the police”, it ended up disastrous. What reason I have to believe that your other theories are not just as bad? I look at those places pioneering in these new strategies, like SF and LA, and from what I can tell, these are exactly counterproductive. > Right now we dont rehabilitate people, we throw them in a hell and say “welp dont do crime” (exhibit a) and after their “rehabilitation” then (…) If only there was a way they could avoid having that happen to them. Alas, since the criminals are just victims of circumstance, bereft of any agency, shooting other people on the street is just something that happens to them.

vmception 5y ago
Defund the police has nothing to do with sentencing and rehabilitation. You are procedurally generating random talking points to intentionally talk past each other. False dilemmas are often intentional so I’m out.