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>It's not like they're claiming the documents are copyrighted or anything. no, you don't need to claim anything when FBI is watching for your financial interes

>It's not like they're claiming the documents are copyrighted or anything. no, you don't need to claim anything when FBI is watching for your financial interests : http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/10/swartz-fbi/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/10/swartz-fbi/

sp332 15y ago
The FBI is the normal agency that would look into potential fraud cases involving a federal program like the Administrative Office of the United States Courts. The AO told the FBI that Swartz was using someone else's credentials to access the system. That turned out not to be true, but I don't blame the FBI for investigating him. Anyway they just called him a couple of times and then dropped the issue, so I'm going to say that's not much of a deterrent.
- VladRussian 15y ago
  >Anyway they just called him a couple of times and then dropped the issue, so I'm going to say that's not much of a deterrent. actually he lawyer-ed up, and it is when they stepped back. >The FBI is the normal agency that would look into potential fraud cases involving a federal program like the Administrative Office of the United States Courts. the millions of documents were downloaded without paying the fee. Either the download is the act of fraud or charging the fee is the act of fraud. The FBI decided the former. They let the Swartz go just because price/benefit analysis didn't look that good for them as he refused to be an easy target. >that's not much of a deterrent. it is enough deterrent for me. While i think these documents must be public domain, and i do think the letter of law supports that opinion, given the chance i'd not download them and, God forbid, publish/torrent them. The FBI investigation would be enough to ruin any prospects of high-tech job for me, ie. to ruin my life.
  - sp332 15y ago
    Oh, I thought it was taking the documents using someone else's authorization that was fraud.
  - ahi 15y ago
    The court library allowed free access. He did the equivalent of revisiting the grocery store's free sample kiosk over and over again. The FBI knew he did it and could prove it. You think they're going to shy away from an easy conviction after they spent money on the investigation? They just came to the realization that what he did probably wasn't a criminal act.

sp332 15y ago

The FBI is the normal agency that would look into potential fraud cases involving a federal program like the Administrative Office of the United States Courts. The AO told the FBI that Swartz was using someone else's credentials to access the system. That turned out not to be true, but I don't blame the FBI for investigating him. Anyway they just called him a couple of times and then dropped the issue, so I'm going to say that's not much of a deterrent.

VladRussian 15y ago
>Anyway they just called him a couple of times and then dropped the issue, so I'm going to say that's not much of a deterrent. actually he lawyer-ed up, and it is when they stepped back. >The FBI is the normal agency that would look into potential fraud cases involving a federal program like the Administrative Office of the United States Courts. the millions of documents were downloaded without paying the fee. Either the download is the act of fraud or charging the fee is the act of fraud. The FBI decided the former. They let the Swartz go just because price/benefit analysis didn't look that good for them as he refused to be an easy target. >that's not much of a deterrent. it is enough deterrent for me. While i think these documents must be public domain, and i do think the letter of law supports that opinion, given the chance i'd not download them and, God forbid, publish/torrent them. The FBI investigation would be enough to ruin any prospects of high-tech job for me, ie. to ruin my life.
- sp332 15y ago
  Oh, I thought it was taking the documents using someone else's authorization that was fraud.
- ahi 15y ago
  The court library allowed free access. He did the equivalent of revisiting the grocery store's free sample kiosk over and over again. The FBI knew he did it and could prove it. You think they're going to shy away from an easy conviction after they spent money on the investigation? They just came to the realization that what he did probably wasn't a criminal act.