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Would you guarantee that any system you build/manage will be safe?

onosendai 15y ago
I'm a sysadmin actually. No one can give that guarantee, but when I apply for a job I sure as hell don't put in the contract that I'm not liable for any security breaches that might occur. If I leave an outdated version of SSH open to the internet, allow root login, password authentication, and set it to 'p4ssw0rd', then I'd fully expect to suffer some consequences.
scarmig 15y ago
The point isn't that it's impossible to happen. The point is that Sony is disclaiming responsibility for anything it does wrong. It's like saying, "Well, I'll work as an engineer for you, but I refuse to be held responsible if the bridge collapses." Even the nuttiest libertarian could find reasons to pass laws forbidding that kind of contract. And even if it's legal, I wouldn't drive on that bridge. (Or would I? If everyone does it and it looks safe enough...) This is even worse when I think about it. It's more like buying a plane ticket, being in the airport, and suddenly the pilot goes "I am not legally liable if I crash the plane while I'm drinking on the flight."
- elliottcarlson 15y ago
  Though a better analogy is that it's like buying your ticket, passing security, being boarded and right as you are about to enter the plane - the stewardess tells you you have to sign this agreement that the airline is not liable. You have the option of not agreeing to those terms - but then you will have to turn around and find another flight on another airline with no recourse for a refund on your ticket.
  - evilduck 15y ago
    Or in the case of current PS3 owners, being presented that agrrement after take-off.
    - dasil003 15y ago
      ...with a parachute just in case you want to get off right there.
- andylei 15y ago
  > The point is that Sony is disclaiming responsibility for anything it does wrong. nope. you can still go to arbitration or small claims.
  - danssig 15y ago
    It's not that the bully isn't willing to accept responsibility. He just wants to deal with each complaint individually. In a dark alley with no witnesses.
ary 15y ago
You do the best you can and then carry insurance.

I'm a sysadmin actually. No one can give that guarantee, but when I apply for a job I sure as hell don't put in the contract that I'm not liable for any security breaches that might occur. If I leave an outdated version of SSH open to the internet, allow root login, password authentication, and set it to 'p4ssw0rd', then I'd fully expect to suffer some consequences.

scarmig 15y ago

The point isn't that it's impossible to happen. The point is that Sony is disclaiming responsibility for anything it does wrong. It's like saying, "Well, I'll work as an engineer for you, but I refuse to be held responsible if the bridge collapses." Even the nuttiest libertarian could find reasons to pass laws forbidding that kind of contract. And even if it's legal, I wouldn't drive on that bridge. (Or would I? If everyone does it and it looks safe enough...) This is even worse when I think about it. It's more like buying a plane ticket, being in the airport, and suddenly the pilot goes "I am not legally liable if I crash the plane while I'm drinking on the flight."

elliottcarlson 15y ago
Though a better analogy is that it's like buying your ticket, passing security, being boarded and right as you are about to enter the plane - the stewardess tells you you have to sign this agreement that the airline is not liable. You have the option of not agreeing to those terms - but then you will have to turn around and find another flight on another airline with no recourse for a refund on your ticket.
- evilduck 15y ago
  Or in the case of current PS3 owners, being presented that agrrement after take-off.
  - dasil003 15y ago
    ...with a parachute just in case you want to get off right there.
andylei 15y ago
> The point is that Sony is disclaiming responsibility for anything it does wrong. nope. you can still go to arbitration or small claims.
- danssig 15y ago
  It's not that the bully isn't willing to accept responsibility. He just wants to deal with each complaint individually. In a dark alley with no witnesses.

ary 15y ago

You do the best you can and then carry insurance.