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Gun violence is not evenly distributed across the country, even after you account for population density. We have plenty of statistics and we know what the diff

Gun violence is not evenly distributed across the country, even after you account for population density. We have plenty of statistics and we know what the differences are but because those numbers show a very inconvenient truth, we instead some up with all kinds red herrings and tangents to try to explain it away, while also promoting look-busy solutions that don't address the actual source of the problem, which once again, is extremely unevenly distributed.

Redoubts 5y ago
> those numbers show a very inconvenient truth Could you be plain about the point you’re making here?
- hiptobecubic 5y ago
  Their point seems to be that everyone knows their point and no one can say it.
  - tormeh 5y ago
    Or that there's no point saying it because addressing it would require unpopular trade-offs. Like extending the welfare state or tightening gun control. Not even worth debating. Nobody likes to be told that they can't both have their cake and eat it too.
- giantg2 5y ago
  It sounds like they're talking about the socioeconomic factors behind the violence. I believe there's a book called American Homicide that covers them in detail. The extremely basic overly simplified summary I have is that people who don't have hope or think they've been cheated have less incentive to work within the broken system. https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/01/06/can-gun-violence-be-traced-back-to-socioeconomic-root-causes/ https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/01/06/can-gun-violence-be...
  - dariusj18 5y ago
    Very charitable that "socioeconomic" would be their choice of taboo conversations.
    - giantg2 5y ago
      Not necessarily. Some people misinterpret socioeconomic to be someone being covertly racist, sexist, classist, etc. Statistically, specific groups are responsible for a majority of the violence (an obvious one is males). Some groups are disproportionately affected by the underlying socioeconomic issues. It's reasonable that some people don't want to talk about these issues since it makes them an easy target to be misunderstood and called a bigot.
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Redoubts 5y ago

> those numbers show a very inconvenient truth Could you be plain about the point you’re making here?

hiptobecubic 5y ago
Their point seems to be that everyone knows their point and no one can say it.
- tormeh 5y ago
  Or that there's no point saying it because addressing it would require unpopular trade-offs. Like extending the welfare state or tightening gun control. Not even worth debating. Nobody likes to be told that they can't both have their cake and eat it too.
giantg2 5y ago
It sounds like they're talking about the socioeconomic factors behind the violence. I believe there's a book called American Homicide that covers them in detail. The extremely basic overly simplified summary I have is that people who don't have hope or think they've been cheated have less incentive to work within the broken system. https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/01/06/can-gun-violence-be-traced-back-to-socioeconomic-root-causes/ https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/01/06/can-gun-violence-be...
- dariusj18 5y ago
  Very charitable that "socioeconomic" would be their choice of taboo conversations.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    Not necessarily. Some people misinterpret socioeconomic to be someone being covertly racist, sexist, classist, etc. Statistically, specific groups are responsible for a majority of the violence (an obvious one is males). Some groups are disproportionately affected by the underlying socioeconomic issues. It's reasonable that some people don't want to talk about these issues since it makes them an easy target to be misunderstood and called a bigot.

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