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Not necessarily, Switzerland & Finland also have high gun ownership rates. What needs to be done a real education in terms of firearm handling, more restriction

Not necessarily, Switzerland & Finland also have high gun ownership rates. What needs to be done a real education in terms of firearm handling, more restrictions when it comes to ammunition and get out of the culture that firearms are for republicans, rednecks and hillbillies, and be over with the cult of guns.

stevehawk 5y ago
do you really think the people firing those guns did it because they didn't know about gravity? or do you think they did it because they didn't care?
jcims 5y ago
I generally agree, I'd much rather create a society that can be trusted with dangerous things than to nerf everything. >real education in terms of firearm handling We used to do this as part of physical education in the midwest US. We had a 1-2 week course on gun safety and would shoot shotguns and rifles (no pistols though). >get out of the culture that firearms are for republicans, rednecks and hillbillies Agree but this means shushing the people that reject firearms based on that specific association. >be over with the cult of guns There isn't just one 'cult of guns' in the US. The vast majority of gun owners are just normal people, but cult-wise there's the tacticool mall operator type with $8K of gear and cringeworthy social media, the Charlton Heston old guard that fondles their Colt single action on Sunday afternoons, the brooding emo outcast that constantly makes vague threats from mom's basement and the hood rats and gang bangers that dgaf about anything. Statistically its the last two that have had the biggest effect on mass shootings [1] and homicide rates [2], but addressing it head on is super complex and politically dangerous so nothing really gets done. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_S... [2] https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-2.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...
EEBio 5y ago
Both the Swiss and the Finns have a compulsory military service. This is not your average gun safety course. Having so many guns lying around, I would hope one has to go through all the hoops that the Swiss and Finnish gun owners have to, including the initial screening. In other words, high gun ownership rate is not the problem. The regulation is (or lack thereof).

stevehawk 5y ago

do you really think the people firing those guns did it because they didn't know about gravity? or do you think they did it because they didn't care?

jcims 5y ago

I generally agree, I'd much rather create a society that can be trusted with dangerous things than to nerf everything. >real education in terms of firearm handling We used to do this as part of physical education in the midwest US. We had a 1-2 week course on gun safety and would shoot shotguns and rifles (no pistols though). >get out of the culture that firearms are for republicans, rednecks and hillbillies Agree but this means shushing the people that reject firearms based on that specific association. >be over with the cult of guns There isn't just one 'cult of guns' in the US. The vast majority of gun owners are just normal people, but cult-wise there's the tacticool mall operator type with $8K of gear and cringeworthy social media, the Charlton Heston old guard that fondles their Colt single action on Sunday afternoons, the brooding emo outcast that constantly makes vague threats from mom's basement and the hood rats and gang bangers that dgaf about anything. Statistically its the last two that have had the biggest effect on mass shootings [1] and homicide rates [2], but addressing it head on is super complex and politically dangerous so nothing really gets done. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_S... [2] https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-2.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

EEBio 5y ago

Both the Swiss and the Finns have a compulsory military service. This is not your average gun safety course. Having so many guns lying around, I would hope one has to go through all the hoops that the Swiss and Finnish gun owners have to, including the initial screening. In other words, high gun ownership rate is not the problem. The regulation is (or lack thereof).