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The US is not a third world country, it's just a heavily armed country. They are not the same thing.

by misiti3780 5y ago

lnsru 5y ago
Switzerland is also heavily armed country. It’s not an argument here.
- misiti3780 5y ago
  Sorry, I dont understand. You're saying that because Switzerland is a heavily armed country also that means the US is a third world country?
  - isoskeles 5y ago
    No, they're saying that the US being heavily armed isn't the only explanation for why someone gets killed by a stray bullet in Atlanta.
    - misiti3780 5y ago
      Ah, ok - Thank you!
  - lnsru 5y ago
    Definitely not a 3rd world country. My US friends do not have guns. Just other countries force more responsibility with them.
- iratewizard 5y ago
  Switzerland is 75% Swiss and about 90% European.
  - RugnirViking 5y ago
    and you're 100% racist. There are less gun related deaths in morocco than there are in the united states[1][2]. Are moroccans simply inherently more trustworthy and responsible than americans? How about nicaraguans? cubans? tunisians? tanzanians? algerians? vietnamiese? indonesians? equadorians? 1: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death... 2: https://www.smallarmssurvey.org/database/global-violent-deaths-gvd https://www.smallarmssurvey.org/database/global-violent-deat...
    - iratewizard 5y ago
      Sorry to hear that your cult ideology is failing to suppress reality. What's the corruption index on the countries you listed with "low gun related deaths"? Oops, they're all below 50. And half are surrounded by countries with gun violence rates that are 5-10x higher than the US. Significantly higher when you break up US gun violence by race. Extremely significant when you use data from before states started reporting hispanic gun violence as white.
      - ashwagary 5y ago
        Less gun deaths and homicide in general almost everywhere that is not in the middle of a civil war/armed conflict. Tunisia, Ghana, China, India, etc... All safer than the US and most European countries.
        iratewizard 5y ago
        4 more countries with corruption indexes around 40. Chinese bureaucrats definitely reporting statistics accurately. Just like their 0 new cases of Corona. But you're right, India is definitely safer (if you're a rapist).
        ashwagary 5y ago
        "Corruption index" is a western scam. The US is one of the most corrupt countries in the world but the billions (maybe trillions now?) of dollars per annum of corrupt activity is considered legal if structured in specific ways. No serious person believes those rankings.
        iratewizard 5y ago
        Gun violence statistics are a western scam to push gun confiscation. You think tourism countries like Nicaragua and Costa Rica are incentivized to report every gun crime?
iratewizard 5y ago
Parts of it are indistinguishable from the 3rd world. Parts of it are high trust and high culture. I've spent a good portion of my 20s doing urban exploration photography and traveling.
- misiti3780 5y ago
  I agree with that, but we have to agree that that is different than just saying the entire country is third world.
  - iratewizard 5y ago
    Definitely agree.
- rjbwork 5y ago
  Exactly. I think it is hard for someone who has never lived here and especially those that have never "slummed it" and had very rich friends to grasp the vast vast heterogeneity of this country.
rosmax_1337 5y ago
Guns are not the problem in themselves. Other countries do just fine with free gun laws: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzer...
- theunruled 5y ago
  > To carry a firearm in public or outdoors (and for a militia member to carry a firearm other than his issued weapons while off-duty), a person must have a gun carrying permit (German: Waffentragbewilligung, French: permis de port d'armes, Italian: permesso di porto di armi; art. 27 WG/LArm), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.[6] It is, however, quite common to see a person in military service or a sport shooter to be en route with his rifle, albeit unloaded. The issue of such exceptional permits are extremely selective (see #Conditions_for_obtaining_a_Carrying_Permit).
- Beltalowda 5y ago
  There are significant differences between US and Swiss gun laws though. In particular, actually carrying a gun is typically not allowed. In Switzerland, a gun is something you keep in your house and carry to the firing range or with you on your hunting trip, and that's it. This is a huge difference in both mentality and legislation; the "free gun laws" in Switzerland are not the same "free gun laws" as in many US states.

The US is not a third world country, it's just a heavily armed country. They are not the same thing.

lnsru 5y ago

Switzerland is also heavily armed country. It’s not an argument here.

misiti3780 5y ago
Sorry, I dont understand. You're saying that because Switzerland is a heavily armed country also that means the US is a third world country?
- isoskeles 5y ago
  No, they're saying that the US being heavily armed isn't the only explanation for why someone gets killed by a stray bullet in Atlanta.
  - misiti3780 5y ago
    Ah, ok - Thank you!
- lnsru 5y ago
  Definitely not a 3rd world country. My US friends do not have guns. Just other countries force more responsibility with them.
iratewizard 5y ago
Switzerland is 75% Swiss and about 90% European.
- RugnirViking 5y ago
  and you're 100% racist. There are less gun related deaths in morocco than there are in the united states[1][2]. Are moroccans simply inherently more trustworthy and responsible than americans? How about nicaraguans? cubans? tunisians? tanzanians? algerians? vietnamiese? indonesians? equadorians? 1: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death... 2: https://www.smallarmssurvey.org/database/global-violent-deaths-gvd https://www.smallarmssurvey.org/database/global-violent-deat...
  - iratewizard 5y ago
    Sorry to hear that your cult ideology is failing to suppress reality. What's the corruption index on the countries you listed with "low gun related deaths"? Oops, they're all below 50. And half are surrounded by countries with gun violence rates that are 5-10x higher than the US. Significantly higher when you break up US gun violence by race. Extremely significant when you use data from before states started reporting hispanic gun violence as white.
    - ashwagary 5y ago
      Less gun deaths and homicide in general almost everywhere that is not in the middle of a civil war/armed conflict. Tunisia, Ghana, China, India, etc... All safer than the US and most European countries.
      - iratewizard 5y ago
        4 more countries with corruption indexes around 40. Chinese bureaucrats definitely reporting statistics accurately. Just like their 0 new cases of Corona. But you're right, India is definitely safer (if you're a rapist).
        ashwagary 5y ago
        "Corruption index" is a western scam. The US is one of the most corrupt countries in the world but the billions (maybe trillions now?) of dollars per annum of corrupt activity is considered legal if structured in specific ways. No serious person believes those rankings.
        iratewizard 5y ago
        Gun violence statistics are a western scam to push gun confiscation. You think tourism countries like Nicaragua and Costa Rica are incentivized to report every gun crime?

iratewizard 5y ago

Parts of it are indistinguishable from the 3rd world. Parts of it are high trust and high culture. I've spent a good portion of my 20s doing urban exploration photography and traveling.

misiti3780 5y ago
I agree with that, but we have to agree that that is different than just saying the entire country is third world.
- iratewizard 5y ago
  Definitely agree.
rjbwork 5y ago
Exactly. I think it is hard for someone who has never lived here and especially those that have never "slummed it" and had very rich friends to grasp the vast vast heterogeneity of this country.

rosmax_1337 5y ago

Guns are not the problem in themselves. Other countries do just fine with free gun laws: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzer...

theunruled 5y ago
> To carry a firearm in public or outdoors (and for a militia member to carry a firearm other than his issued weapons while off-duty), a person must have a gun carrying permit (German: Waffentragbewilligung, French: permis de port d'armes, Italian: permesso di porto di armi; art. 27 WG/LArm), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.[6] It is, however, quite common to see a person in military service or a sport shooter to be en route with his rifle, albeit unloaded. The issue of such exceptional permits are extremely selective (see #Conditions_for_obtaining_a_Carrying_Permit).
Beltalowda 5y ago
There are significant differences between US and Swiss gun laws though. In particular, actually carrying a gun is typically not allowed. In Switzerland, a gun is something you keep in your house and carry to the firing range or with you on your hunting trip, and that's it. This is a huge difference in both mentality and legislation; the "free gun laws" in Switzerland are not the same "free gun laws" as in many US states.