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There are plenty of videos on youtube with people putting projectiles through drywall [0] and it turns out even the "wimpy" rounds like 22lr go right through mu

There are plenty of videos on youtube with people putting projectiles through drywall [0] and it turns out even the "wimpy" rounds like 22lr go right through multiple layers with ease. The practical lesson is to "hit the deck" when the bullets start flying, just like in combat. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsBKwzssfwU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsBKwzssfwU

version_five 5y ago
Somehow I think the practical lesson should be about more than learning to take cover when a gunfight breaks out. I'd like to think there is a better discussion to be had about how to prevent this from happening.
- Filligree 5y ago
  What discussion is there to be had? Every country other than the US already knows how to solve this.
  - tomjakubowski 5y ago
    I think you ought to qualify that some. Many countries have much higher rates of deaths by firearm (intentional or not) than the United States.
    - Filligree 5y ago
      Not all of them have solved it, no. But the United States is the only place I’m aware of that pretends the presence of firearms is a good thing.
robin_reala 5y ago
The practical lesson here is to not visit the US if you can avoid it.
- yardie 5y ago
  I convinced myself after I left I wouldn't come back. Unfortunately, the money was too good.
- californical 5y ago
  That’s a pretty ridiculous lesson to learn. These things are exceptionally rare. Sure, it happens way too often relative to other countries, but it’s still just so rare that it’s not a real concern.
yawaramin 5y ago
This makes it sound like the US is in a state of constant warfare. While this may be accurate, it does make one wonder why citizens of a country supposedly in peacetime should constantly be watching out for and dodging bullets.
- xxpor 5y ago
  People are incredibly poor at risk estimation. Just having a gun in your home for self-defense is a net negative, because of the risk of accidents and how much easier it becomes to commit suicide. But for a lot of folks, their gun ownership is tied up in their perception of what it means to be a man. Protecting your family and all that. It's terribly toxic.
  - burner556 5y ago
    What’s toxic is having somebody breaking into your house and not being able to do anything about it except call the police who might or might not show up in the next 15 minutes. What’s toxic is when only criminals have guns and you cannot protect yourself with equal force.
    - xxpor 5y ago
      That's exactly my point. For the average person, it's not a net win to have that gun around. The chance you'll be the victim of a random occupied home invasion is VERY VERY small.
      - burner556 5y ago
        I agree with you, however: I’m not willing to give up my individual freedom to protect my family for the benefit of the group. If you are, cool. Also, my eyebrows are raised at the idea that protecting your family is toxic in your OG comment. Come again?
        xxpor 5y ago
        I protect my family by making the world a better place/supporting structural solutions to problems. Not by pretending I'm going to be a hero by shooting someone that just wants stuff. Unfortunately for a lot of folks on the right, they do think that's what'll happen. What will actually happen is something like this: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/texas-toddler-gun-car-shoots-mother-sibling-82105585 https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/texas-toddler-gun-car-sh... In the worst cases, people's gun collections become a significant contributor to their ego. See also: lifted trucks.

version_five 5y ago

Somehow I think the practical lesson should be about more than learning to take cover when a gunfight breaks out. I'd like to think there is a better discussion to be had about how to prevent this from happening.

Filligree 5y ago
What discussion is there to be had? Every country other than the US already knows how to solve this.
- tomjakubowski 5y ago
  I think you ought to qualify that some. Many countries have much higher rates of deaths by firearm (intentional or not) than the United States.
  - Filligree 5y ago
    Not all of them have solved it, no. But the United States is the only place I’m aware of that pretends the presence of firearms is a good thing.

robin_reala 5y ago

The practical lesson here is to not visit the US if you can avoid it.

yardie 5y ago
I convinced myself after I left I wouldn't come back. Unfortunately, the money was too good.
californical 5y ago
That’s a pretty ridiculous lesson to learn. These things are exceptionally rare. Sure, it happens way too often relative to other countries, but it’s still just so rare that it’s not a real concern.

yawaramin 5y ago

This makes it sound like the US is in a state of constant warfare. While this may be accurate, it does make one wonder why citizens of a country supposedly in peacetime should constantly be watching out for and dodging bullets.

xxpor 5y ago
People are incredibly poor at risk estimation. Just having a gun in your home for self-defense is a net negative, because of the risk of accidents and how much easier it becomes to commit suicide. But for a lot of folks, their gun ownership is tied up in their perception of what it means to be a man. Protecting your family and all that. It's terribly toxic.
- burner556 5y ago
  What’s toxic is having somebody breaking into your house and not being able to do anything about it except call the police who might or might not show up in the next 15 minutes. What’s toxic is when only criminals have guns and you cannot protect yourself with equal force.
  - xxpor 5y ago
    That's exactly my point. For the average person, it's not a net win to have that gun around. The chance you'll be the victim of a random occupied home invasion is VERY VERY small.
    - burner556 5y ago
      I agree with you, however: I’m not willing to give up my individual freedom to protect my family for the benefit of the group. If you are, cool. Also, my eyebrows are raised at the idea that protecting your family is toxic in your OG comment. Come again?
      - xxpor 5y ago
        I protect my family by making the world a better place/supporting structural solutions to problems. Not by pretending I'm going to be a hero by shooting someone that just wants stuff. Unfortunately for a lot of folks on the right, they do think that's what'll happen. What will actually happen is something like this: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/texas-toddler-gun-car-shoots-mother-sibling-82105585 https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/texas-toddler-gun-car-sh... In the worst cases, people's gun collections become a significant contributor to their ego. See also: lifted trucks.