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Assuming you have one, it might be worth talking to your HR department to clarify these instructions. Maybe there is something you aren't getting, or this is so

Assuming you have one, it might be worth talking to your HR department to clarify these instructions. Maybe there is something you aren't getting, or this is something setup by clueless management and they are unaware and would want to intervene. Beyond that when in doubt, talk to a lawyer. At first glance to me (I am not a lawyer) this seems like it's probably illegal, but it's entirely possible there are nuances to which I'm not privy both in terms of legality and in terms of what's actually happening. A quick consult with an employment lawyer isn't that expensive and will give you a much better idea on how to proceed than HN ever can. If you don't mind skipping straight to whistle-blowing, you can also talk to your State's department of labor, or the US Department of Labor. They tend to take such things seriously and will no doubt investigate.

qbasic_forever 5y ago
HR only exists to protect the company from liability and lawsuits. Talk to them first at your own risk, and realize that almost no good can come from doing so. At best they will now see you as a 'problem' employee that is asking too many questions, and at worst it could start a chain of actions that lead to your termination or leaving the company (for completely unrelated reasons of course).
- phreack 5y ago
  While talking to a lawyer is the best option, wouldn't this be one of the few cases where HR is relevant? You're specifically bringing to attention a potential liability/lawsuit from external sources.
  - znpy 5y ago
    > You're specifically bringing to attention a potential liability/lawsuit from external sources. Not unless the author reveal the name of the company, which they didn't (as far as I can see at the time of writing).
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- kyrra 5y ago
  This seems like a case where HR would actually care, because the person raising it is trying to protect the company from doing something potentially illegal.
- Volundr 5y ago
  > HR only exists to protect the company from liability and lawsuits. Exactly. This is exactly why HR will want to know this is happening. So they can shut it down. A half decent HR department will recognize that this carries major risk of lawsuits, and want it killed. You bringing information to about another part of the company trying to do something illegal doesn't make you a "problem" employee. There are a lot of cases where I'd recommend against talking to HR, but getting a spreadsheet from your boss and asking "hey this seems weird, is it legal?" is one of the things they are good for. Your boss is far more likely to hold a grudge than HR. Obviously, don't go in screaming it's illegal and they must do something on the off chance it was your Chief People Officer's shitty idea. And again, nothing wrong with going to an employment lawyer first. But when I've seen blatantly illegal stuff like this it's usually that HR isn't involved in the hiring process and they want to know when it happens so they can educate the relevant parties.
  - happyopossum 5y ago
    > Exactly. This is exactly why HR will want to know this is happening. So they can shut it down. Sometimes. Some HR departments in Silicon Valley have taken DEI to heart to the point where they’d be champions of this hiring behavior.
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
    > the off chance it was your Chief People Officer's shitty idea Doesn't really seem like an "off chance" to me that this would come from either the Chief People Officer, or someone else sufficiently high up in the food chain that they can tell HR to fall back in line.
  - anon7725 5y ago
    > You bringing information to about another part of the company trying to do something illegal doesn't make you a "problem" employee. If you’re reading this and are in a similar situation, please don’t accept this advice without further reflection. On this particular topic, it could very well be wrong. If you’ve decided to report it then I’d suggest using your company’s outside anonymous reporting facility if such a thing exists.

qbasic_forever 5y ago

HR only exists to protect the company from liability and lawsuits. Talk to them first at your own risk, and realize that almost no good can come from doing so. At best they will now see you as a 'problem' employee that is asking too many questions, and at worst it could start a chain of actions that lead to your termination or leaving the company (for completely unrelated reasons of course).

phreack 5y ago
While talking to a lawyer is the best option, wouldn't this be one of the few cases where HR is relevant? You're specifically bringing to attention a potential liability/lawsuit from external sources.
- znpy 5y ago
  > You're specifically bringing to attention a potential liability/lawsuit from external sources. Not unless the author reveal the name of the company, which they didn't (as far as I can see at the time of writing).
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kyrra 5y ago
This seems like a case where HR would actually care, because the person raising it is trying to protect the company from doing something potentially illegal.
Volundr 5y ago
> HR only exists to protect the company from liability and lawsuits. Exactly. This is exactly why HR will want to know this is happening. So they can shut it down. A half decent HR department will recognize that this carries major risk of lawsuits, and want it killed. You bringing information to about another part of the company trying to do something illegal doesn't make you a "problem" employee. There are a lot of cases where I'd recommend against talking to HR, but getting a spreadsheet from your boss and asking "hey this seems weird, is it legal?" is one of the things they are good for. Your boss is far more likely to hold a grudge than HR. Obviously, don't go in screaming it's illegal and they must do something on the off chance it was your Chief People Officer's shitty idea. And again, nothing wrong with going to an employment lawyer first. But when I've seen blatantly illegal stuff like this it's usually that HR isn't involved in the hiring process and they want to know when it happens so they can educate the relevant parties.
- happyopossum 5y ago
  > Exactly. This is exactly why HR will want to know this is happening. So they can shut it down. Sometimes. Some HR departments in Silicon Valley have taken DEI to heart to the point where they’d be champions of this hiring behavior.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
  > the off chance it was your Chief People Officer's shitty idea Doesn't really seem like an "off chance" to me that this would come from either the Chief People Officer, or someone else sufficiently high up in the food chain that they can tell HR to fall back in line.
- anon7725 5y ago
  > You bringing information to about another part of the company trying to do something illegal doesn't make you a "problem" employee. If you’re reading this and are in a similar situation, please don’t accept this advice without further reflection. On this particular topic, it could very well be wrong. If you’ve decided to report it then I’d suggest using your company’s outside anonymous reporting facility if such a thing exists.