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> It should absolutely be within my rights as a business owner to ban an unvaccinated or unmasked patron, and it is a violation of my civil liberties for the go

> It should absolutely be within my rights as a business owner to ban an unvaccinated or unmasked patron, and it is a violation of my civil liberties for the government to ban this. Maybe it was the way you worded this but it surprised me. I recall that civil liberties said that businesses can’t ban people for what they look like, or if they have a beard, or a religious symbol, etc. I don’t think that changes for Covid how is it a violation of your civil liberties? And then how is it not a violation of THEIR civil liberties? I’m vaxxed and masked, but I think the ACLU has lost their collective heads in many ways

joshuamorton 5y ago
> that civil liberties said that businesses can’t ban people for what they look like, This is wrong. One of these isn't like the other. I expect that whole race and religion are things the aclu would defend, having a beard is not (unless it is for a religious purpose). Freedom of association is a civil liberty, and you're correct that it doesn't change for covid, but it absolutely allows a business owner to kick people out for nearly any reason (race, religion, and gender being some of the few exceptions)
- throwoutway 5y ago
  I noticed you didn't directly answer the questions.. but I'll ask something else I don't know if the courts have ruled on this before, but pre-covid, would you have considered a business owner kicking someone out for their health status or chicken pox vaccination status an acceptable practice? Or would you argue in the case of the patron?
  - joshuamorton 5y ago
    > I noticed you didn't directly answer the questions.. but I'll ask something else I thought I did. If I didn't, I apologize, but then I wasn't clear on what exacly you were asking. > but pre-covid, would you have considered a business owner kicking someone out for their health status or chicken pox vaccination status an acceptable practice? I'd think its weird, I might even argue that it was morally wrong to do so. But I would still argue that it was the business owners right.

joshuamorton 5y ago

> that civil liberties said that businesses can’t ban people for what they look like, This is wrong. One of these isn't like the other. I expect that whole race and religion are things the aclu would defend, having a beard is not (unless it is for a religious purpose). Freedom of association is a civil liberty, and you're correct that it doesn't change for covid, but it absolutely allows a business owner to kick people out for nearly any reason (race, religion, and gender being some of the few exceptions)

throwoutway 5y ago
I noticed you didn't directly answer the questions.. but I'll ask something else I don't know if the courts have ruled on this before, but pre-covid, would you have considered a business owner kicking someone out for their health status or chicken pox vaccination status an acceptable practice? Or would you argue in the case of the patron?
- joshuamorton 5y ago
  > I noticed you didn't directly answer the questions.. but I'll ask something else I thought I did. If I didn't, I apologize, but then I wasn't clear on what exacly you were asking. > but pre-covid, would you have considered a business owner kicking someone out for their health status or chicken pox vaccination status an acceptable practice? I'd think its weird, I might even argue that it was morally wrong to do so. But I would still argue that it was the business owners right.