I'm with you. I think there's enough evidence that skyscrapers aren't a good energy/density optimum; skyscrapers are relatively rare outside of North America. V

I'm with you. I think there's enough evidence that skyscrapers aren't a good energy/density optimum; skyscrapers are relatively rare outside of North America. Very high, sustainable densities can be achieved with 4--6 stories buildings. I lived in Madrid in what was considered a poor neighborhood. It's density was three times that of what I have now in Seattle. There were more amenities within reach than I've ever had in my life. I was able to get fresh food on the daily. Not a single skyscraper in sight.