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> 40% of self-identified conservatives support first-trimester abortions (see the table at the end of https://news.gallup.com/poll/235469/trimesters-key-abortio

> 40% of self-identified conservatives support first-trimester abortions (see the table at the end of https://news.gallup.com/poll/235469/trimesters-key-abortion- https://news.gallup.com/poll/235469/trimesters-key-abortion-...). I think its weird to claim that my categorization is narrow when I'm explicitly broadening the definition of conservative compared to you, and not treating conservatives as a monoculture? I'm not sure how this is supposed to help your argument. If anything it proves my point: the majority of conservatives don't even support first trimester abortions. So opposing expansion of third trimester abortion in a state that already has liberal abortion laws is hardly to be seen as an indicator of a particularly conservative stance. I could keep engaging with this, but ultimately I think we're getting in the rut of a fundamentally different view on what counts as "conservative". I don't doubt that you earnestly view Xu and those other authors as conservative, but by that metric so are the bulk of liberals.

joshuamorton 5y ago
I'm really confused, are you denying that the guy who self-identifies as conservative and anti-leftist, and who has worked for The Federalist (a conservative publication) and Young America's Foundation (a conservative youth movement) is not conservative? Like pretend I never mentioned abortion. Xu is very obviously conservative, right? Fundamentally, the point I was making was that Xu was conservative on basically every issue you mentioned (except guns, which I don't think he has a stance on), and this is clearly true. If you read the article in full, it's clear that Xu is pro-life. You seem to be doing this thing where you take any situation where he presents a moderate position as better than a left one and use those to claim he's moderate. But this is weird, because there are lots of places he suggests we move right a lot, and even in the other cases, he's not arguing that we only move right a little, he's arguing we should move at least a little right. He's always in favor of more conservative options, and there aren't really cases where he argues in favor of less conservative options.

joshuamorton 5y ago

I'm really confused, are you denying that the guy who self-identifies as conservative and anti-leftist, and who has worked for The Federalist (a conservative publication) and Young America's Foundation (a conservative youth movement) is not conservative? Like pretend I never mentioned abortion. Xu is very obviously conservative, right? Fundamentally, the point I was making was that Xu was conservative on basically every issue you mentioned (except guns, which I don't think he has a stance on), and this is clearly true. If you read the article in full, it's clear that Xu is pro-life. You seem to be doing this thing where you take any situation where he presents a moderate position as better than a left one and use those to claim he's moderate. But this is weird, because there are lots of places he suggests we move right a lot, and even in the other cases, he's not arguing that we only move right a little, he's arguing we should move at least a little right. He's always in favor of more conservative options, and there aren't really cases where he argues in favor of less conservative options.