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Or: the myth the whole of humanity needs to eat expensive, inefficiently-produced, rainforest clearing, climate change-inducing, antibiotics-immune superbug-bre

Or: the myth the whole of humanity needs to eat expensive, inefficiently-produced, rainforest clearing, climate change-inducing, antibiotics-immune superbug-breeding, unhealthy animal protein grown on CAFOs. Roughly 12% of GHGs are attributed to meat agriculture. Since few people decide anything rationally since they want their steaks and Big Macs, I challenge anyone to visit Greeley CO, Tar Heel NC or North Platte NE and see if they still want to have a steak, pork chops, or their sense of smell.

bradleyjg 5y ago
I wonder if it was this annoying living through Great Awakenings 1-3. Go peddle your Calvinism elsewhere.
- asimpletune 5y ago
  Wait, doesn’t calvinism have to do with everything being predetermined? What does that have to do with vegetarianism?
  - bradleyjg 5y ago
    https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Calvinists-Presbytarians-such-dour-arrogant-and-joyless-people https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Calvinists-Presbytarians-such-...
    - asimpletune 5y ago
      Ok, that explains everything
  - gruez 5y ago
    Beats me. Maybe he meant malthusianism?
  - errcorrectcode 5y ago
    To reword Upton Sinclair: It is difficult to get an anti-intellectual to understand something when their instant-gratification poor habits depend upon their not understanding its existential threats: pandemics, antibiotic resistances, and climate change. It's too easy to say "FU, gimme my supersized Big Mac and I don't care how it's made, Bill Nye." This is what a drug addict says out of willful ignorance while participating in long-term omnicide and ecocide because they're hooked and too weak to make the necessary changes themselves.
astrange 5y ago
Isn't the rainforest clearing caused by local consumption in South America, and not actually part of US supply chains? Climate change is another thing that will be very bad (about as bad as WW2), but mostly to other people and not us, and ending society is a tail risk but not the median prediction. So using it to get Americans to stop doing things either isn't very convincing or requires you to lie. The most important thing by far is to get people to drive less.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  The US is pretty self sufficient but that doesn't mean they don't export
s1artibartfast 5y ago
Better stop eating cheese too. It has a bigger carbon footprint than most meats
cheese_goddess 5y ago
> Roughly 12% of GHGs are attributed to meat agriculture. The cause of anthropogenic climate change is the burning of fossil fuels, not the raising of animals for food. Burning fossil fuels releases carbon at a rate and in amounts that are too high for the natural mechanisms in the environment, that normally bind carbon, to cope with. The carbon gasses released by cows and other ruminants are part of the planetary carbon cycle that circulates carbon gasses between the atmosphere and the biosphere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_carbon_cycle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_carbon_cycle Plants bind carbon from the air, cows eat plants, bacteria in cows' stomachs ferment plants, fermentation releases the carbon bound by plants back into the air, plants bind carbon from the air. This cycle is stable, it's been going on for millions of years, and it has never caused climate change, not of the scale we see today. Climate change started with the Industrial Revolution, when fossil fuels began to be dug up and burned for power. Today, power production is responsible for almost 75% of all carbon emissions. The vast majority of this power production is from burning fossil fuels: https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector#sector-by-sector-where-do-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-come-from https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector#sector-by-sec... If you're concerned about climate change and you want to raise the alarm, then raise the alarm about the continued burning of fossil fuels and the misinformation spread by the fossil fuel industry. Misinformation that seems to be very successfully co-opting the animal rights movement, I might add. You want to be "on the right side of history" as you say in another comment? Don't side with the fossil fuel industry by directing attention away from their role in climate change.
- LesZedCB 5y ago
  holy fucking shit, no. https://drawdown.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/Drawdown_Graphic_Framework01.pdf https://drawdown.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/Drawdown_Graph... i know there has been a lot of pushback because of the individualist nature of exxon et al's carbon footprint red herring. but reduction of emissions is a project every single individual, corporation, and government must be part of. we are are deeply intertwined, all terrestrials, all earth bound. and the anti-individualist shove-off of responsibility onto corporations is going to get us equally nowhere. _Both And_, people. https://www.drawdown.org/drawdown-framework https://www.drawdown.org/drawdown-framework
chasd00 5y ago
Found the vegetarian

bradleyjg 5y ago

I wonder if it was this annoying living through Great Awakenings 1-3. Go peddle your Calvinism elsewhere.

asimpletune 5y ago
Wait, doesn’t calvinism have to do with everything being predetermined? What does that have to do with vegetarianism?
- bradleyjg 5y ago
  https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Calvinists-Presbytarians-such-dour-arrogant-and-joyless-people https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Calvinists-Presbytarians-such-...
  - asimpletune 5y ago
    Ok, that explains everything
- gruez 5y ago
  Beats me. Maybe he meant malthusianism?
- errcorrectcode 5y ago
  To reword Upton Sinclair: It is difficult to get an anti-intellectual to understand something when their instant-gratification poor habits depend upon their not understanding its existential threats: pandemics, antibiotic resistances, and climate change. It's too easy to say "FU, gimme my supersized Big Mac and I don't care how it's made, Bill Nye." This is what a drug addict says out of willful ignorance while participating in long-term omnicide and ecocide because they're hooked and too weak to make the necessary changes themselves.

astrange 5y ago

Isn't the rainforest clearing caused by local consumption in South America, and not actually part of US supply chains? Climate change is another thing that will be very bad (about as bad as WW2), but mostly to other people and not us, and ending society is a tail risk but not the median prediction. So using it to get Americans to stop doing things either isn't very convincing or requires you to lie. The most important thing by far is to get people to drive less.

s1artibartfast 5y ago
The US is pretty self sufficient but that doesn't mean they don't export

s1artibartfast 5y ago

Better stop eating cheese too. It has a bigger carbon footprint than most meats

cheese_goddess 5y ago

> Roughly 12% of GHGs are attributed to meat agriculture. The cause of anthropogenic climate change is the burning of fossil fuels, not the raising of animals for food. Burning fossil fuels releases carbon at a rate and in amounts that are too high for the natural mechanisms in the environment, that normally bind carbon, to cope with. The carbon gasses released by cows and other ruminants are part of the planetary carbon cycle that circulates carbon gasses between the atmosphere and the biosphere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_carbon_cycle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_carbon_cycle Plants bind carbon from the air, cows eat plants, bacteria in cows' stomachs ferment plants, fermentation releases the carbon bound by plants back into the air, plants bind carbon from the air. This cycle is stable, it's been going on for millions of years, and it has never caused climate change, not of the scale we see today. Climate change started with the Industrial Revolution, when fossil fuels began to be dug up and burned for power. Today, power production is responsible for almost 75% of all carbon emissions. The vast majority of this power production is from burning fossil fuels: https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector#sector-by-sector-where-do-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-come-from https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector#sector-by-sec... If you're concerned about climate change and you want to raise the alarm, then raise the alarm about the continued burning of fossil fuels and the misinformation spread by the fossil fuel industry. Misinformation that seems to be very successfully co-opting the animal rights movement, I might add. You want to be "on the right side of history" as you say in another comment? Don't side with the fossil fuel industry by directing attention away from their role in climate change.

LesZedCB 5y ago
holy fucking shit, no. https://drawdown.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/Drawdown_Graphic_Framework01.pdf https://drawdown.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/Drawdown_Graph... i know there has been a lot of pushback because of the individualist nature of exxon et al's carbon footprint red herring. but reduction of emissions is a project every single individual, corporation, and government must be part of. we are are deeply intertwined, all terrestrials, all earth bound. and the anti-individualist shove-off of responsibility onto corporations is going to get us equally nowhere. _Both And_, people. https://www.drawdown.org/drawdown-framework https://www.drawdown.org/drawdown-framework

chasd00 5y ago

Found the vegetarian