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Yes, exactly, People need to know their place in society. Who knows what would happen if we give everyone a voice and allow all these freedoms to roam around. T

Yes, exactly, People need to know their place in society. Who knows what would happen if we give everyone a voice and allow all these freedoms to roam around. This guy should be kissing Bezos's feet for giving him the OPPORTUNITY to work. Tired of reading about all these 'bad major decisions' people getting involved in activism. Please let me know when the lacoste prep school bros organize, none of this deplorables bullshit.

TameAntelope 5y ago
Nowhere did I say this was a major bad decision in his life, I was, of course, referring to the robbery he was convicted of...
- danShumway 5y ago
  > Nowhere did I say this was a major bad decision in his life Wait, are you saying he should take a step back and make fewer good decisions? You don't think this was a major bad decision, but you also don't think he should have made it? I'm trying to follow the line of logic that says that people who make mistakes should stop doing anything else even if they're not making a new mistake. I mean, that sounds a lot like saying that he made a bad choice and therefore he just shouldn't participate in society now regardless of the role or appropriateness of his actions, even after serving his sentence. And if that's the implication, I'd push back against that sentiment pretty hard.
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    It could have been a minor bad decision, and it definitely had a major bad outcome for him. I'm saying he should not trust his own decision making process right now, considering how often those decisions have led him to a negative outcome.
    - danShumway 5y ago
      It sounds like he was stuck between a rock and a hard place on some level. Choosing not to try and organize or improve working conditions is also a decision; it would be a decision to stay where he was, even though there was a focused effort from multiple people to improve working conditions that he could take part in. "Wait and see" is very tricky advice to give to someone who was working at Amazon out of a homeless shelter. How confident are you that staying homeless and not taking steps to try and improve his working conditions would have had a better outcome for him? I am skeptical that "this had costs" is a good enough reason to say that this was a bad decision. A big part of coming out of rock bottom for people is the active decision not to stay at rock bottom, so if you don't think it was a major bad decision and you're just pointing out that it was risky... that's not a good enough criticism for me to be sympathetic to. From what I can tell, pretty much every life decision is risky when you're homeless. There's also something of a chicken and egg problem here. Bad jobs are sustainable because they hire desperate people. If you're advocating that people who have made mistakes and ended up in desperate places shouldn't do bold things or make major life changes, then that is essentially saying that they should stay in those positions (even though I know that's not what you mean to imply). Who is going to challenge the status quo around desperate jobs if we say that the people working those jobs aren't supposed to advocate for themselves?

TameAntelope 5y ago

Nowhere did I say this was a major bad decision in his life, I was, of course, referring to the robbery he was convicted of...

danShumway 5y ago
> Nowhere did I say this was a major bad decision in his life Wait, are you saying he should take a step back and make fewer good decisions? You don't think this was a major bad decision, but you also don't think he should have made it? I'm trying to follow the line of logic that says that people who make mistakes should stop doing anything else even if they're not making a new mistake. I mean, that sounds a lot like saying that he made a bad choice and therefore he just shouldn't participate in society now regardless of the role or appropriateness of his actions, even after serving his sentence. And if that's the implication, I'd push back against that sentiment pretty hard.
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  It could have been a minor bad decision, and it definitely had a major bad outcome for him. I'm saying he should not trust his own decision making process right now, considering how often those decisions have led him to a negative outcome.
  - danShumway 5y ago
    It sounds like he was stuck between a rock and a hard place on some level. Choosing not to try and organize or improve working conditions is also a decision; it would be a decision to stay where he was, even though there was a focused effort from multiple people to improve working conditions that he could take part in. "Wait and see" is very tricky advice to give to someone who was working at Amazon out of a homeless shelter. How confident are you that staying homeless and not taking steps to try and improve his working conditions would have had a better outcome for him? I am skeptical that "this had costs" is a good enough reason to say that this was a bad decision. A big part of coming out of rock bottom for people is the active decision not to stay at rock bottom, so if you don't think it was a major bad decision and you're just pointing out that it was risky... that's not a good enough criticism for me to be sympathetic to. From what I can tell, pretty much every life decision is risky when you're homeless. There's also something of a chicken and egg problem here. Bad jobs are sustainable because they hire desperate people. If you're advocating that people who have made mistakes and ended up in desperate places shouldn't do bold things or make major life changes, then that is essentially saying that they should stay in those positions (even though I know that's not what you mean to imply). Who is going to challenge the status quo around desperate jobs if we say that the people working those jobs aren't supposed to advocate for themselves?