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A friend of mine told me that those who did this are actually repeat offenders who kept getting released from jail due to a no-bail policy. Shows you the curren

A friend of mine told me that those who did this are actually repeat offenders who kept getting released from jail due to a no-bail policy. Shows you the current state of the criminal justice system in LA.

barbazoo 5y ago
Can someone explain why this is supposed to be due to a "no-bail" policy? Many other places don't have a bail system and people aren't looting stores or robbing trains.
- throwawaysea 5y ago
  It’s not just no bail. It’s no consequence. Criminals don’t get charged or sentenced or fined by city prosecutors. If they do, the consequences amount to a weak slap on the wrist at best. One of the big practical reasons is that George Soros and the nonprofits he funds have financially backed many extremist leftist/progressive district attorneys who practice “restorative justice” (https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-prosecutor-campaign-20180523-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-prosecutor-ca...), which is a totally simplistic approach where the lack of consequences is thought to lead to less crime and recidivism. The outcomes of such policies are very predictable and it is why LA, SF, Seattle, etc have experienced a massive amount of crime, blight, and deterioration in the last 5-10 years. The whole situation is very upsetting because previously safe and beautiful cities have been turned into dangerous slums. And during COVID, the fact that large quantities of PPE and test kits and so on have been stolen from these trains and just discarded on the tracks (not valuable / sellable) is incredibly harmful to the public on a whole other level.
  - Urist-Green 5y ago
    I don't think that article supports your argument. Looking at the elections highlighted there it seems more like donations don't matter. Sacramento - Noah Phillips - Lost San Diego - Geneviéve Jones-Wright - Lost Alameda - Pamela Price - Lost Contra Costa - Diana Becton - Won Three of the four candidates highlighted by the article for getting support from Soro's PAC lost. The one who won was the incumbent in that race.
    - errcorrectcode 5y ago
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      - Urist-Green 5y ago
        Yes, you're right. "Soros" I don't think we need to invent any political conspiracy theories here. My point with following up on the earlier article is that voters have stuck with the status quo. Invoking big names like George Soros gets attention, but the banal truth is that voters tend to stick with what they know.
    - throwawaysea 5y ago
      That article is just one of many and this isn’t a comprehensive list of candidates he’s backed (directly or indirectly). LA’s DA George Gascon is one of them (https://nypost.com/2021/12/16/how-george-soros-funded-progressive-das-behind-us-crime-surge/ https://nypost.com/2021/12/16/how-george-soros-funded-progre...).
  - mattzito 5y ago
    This is just a bunch of talking points. When you look at the facts, we can see: Union Pacific has its own police force, and just cut the number of their own police officers from 60 to 8 along that route: https://www.lataco.com/union-pacific-theft-police-laid-off/ https://www.lataco.com/union-pacific-theft-police-laid-off/ The LAPD has a $3b a year budget, and crime is down: https://twitter.com/pplscitycouncil/status/1474498071711010817?s=21 https://twitter.com/pplscitycouncil/status/14744980717110108... Coincidentally the LAPD is trying to get a 12% budget increase: https://twitter.com/equalityalec/status/1484966544681619461?s=21 https://twitter.com/equalityalec/status/1484966544681619461?... So we have a private company who fires 80% of their police force (not security! They have arrest powers!), then there is a shocking, SHOCKING rise in theft, which the LAPD turns into a cry for more funding despite crime being down. Remember that the reason railroads got the right to have their own police force was because it was their RESPONSIBILITY to protect the goods they carried - this is just shifting responsibility from them to the public.
    - throwawaysea 5y ago
      There’s a reason why this crime spree is happening in LA. I don’t think it’s because of UP’s jurisdiction over railroads. It’s because LA effectively attracts crime and criminals, because in practice they don’t face consequences (deterrents) and become increasingly bold as repeat offenders. LA has induced a cesspool that then bleeds into affecting things like the railroads that run through the area. There’s a reason you don’t hear about this sort of thing happening in Texas or wherever else. You’re also ignoring the fact that the arrested criminals are handed over to the LA criminal justice system, where the city prosecutors (led by Soros-funded progressive restorative justice advocate George Gascon) reduced/dismisses charges and releases repeat offenders back into the public. This is exactly what the Union Pacific has complained about (https://www.up.com/cs/groups/public/@uprr/@newsinfo/documents/up_pdf_nativedocs/pdf_up_la_district_atty_211221.pdf https://www.up.com/cs/groups/public/@uprr/@newsinfo/document...). Finally, the claim that crime is down in cities practicing restorative justice is completely disconnected from reality and laughable. Individuals and businesses see and experience crime regularly and simply don’t bother reporting it anymore. Nothing is done about these incidents by city leadership and prosecutors, criminals aren’t brought to justice, and insurance claims are expensive due to deductibles. Crime is therefore, predictably, grossly underreported.

barbazoo 5y ago

Can someone explain why this is supposed to be due to a "no-bail" policy? Many other places don't have a bail system and people aren't looting stores or robbing trains.

throwawaysea 5y ago
It’s not just no bail. It’s no consequence. Criminals don’t get charged or sentenced or fined by city prosecutors. If they do, the consequences amount to a weak slap on the wrist at best. One of the big practical reasons is that George Soros and the nonprofits he funds have financially backed many extremist leftist/progressive district attorneys who practice “restorative justice” (https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-prosecutor-campaign-20180523-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-prosecutor-ca...), which is a totally simplistic approach where the lack of consequences is thought to lead to less crime and recidivism. The outcomes of such policies are very predictable and it is why LA, SF, Seattle, etc have experienced a massive amount of crime, blight, and deterioration in the last 5-10 years. The whole situation is very upsetting because previously safe and beautiful cities have been turned into dangerous slums. And during COVID, the fact that large quantities of PPE and test kits and so on have been stolen from these trains and just discarded on the tracks (not valuable / sellable) is incredibly harmful to the public on a whole other level.
- Urist-Green 5y ago
  I don't think that article supports your argument. Looking at the elections highlighted there it seems more like donations don't matter. Sacramento - Noah Phillips - Lost San Diego - Geneviéve Jones-Wright - Lost Alameda - Pamela Price - Lost Contra Costa - Diana Becton - Won Three of the four candidates highlighted by the article for getting support from Soro's PAC lost. The one who won was the incumbent in that race.
  - errcorrectcode 5y ago
    [flagged]
    - Urist-Green 5y ago
      Yes, you're right. "Soros" I don't think we need to invent any political conspiracy theories here. My point with following up on the earlier article is that voters have stuck with the status quo. Invoking big names like George Soros gets attention, but the banal truth is that voters tend to stick with what they know.
  - throwawaysea 5y ago
    That article is just one of many and this isn’t a comprehensive list of candidates he’s backed (directly or indirectly). LA’s DA George Gascon is one of them (https://nypost.com/2021/12/16/how-george-soros-funded-progressive-das-behind-us-crime-surge/ https://nypost.com/2021/12/16/how-george-soros-funded-progre...).
- mattzito 5y ago
  This is just a bunch of talking points. When you look at the facts, we can see: Union Pacific has its own police force, and just cut the number of their own police officers from 60 to 8 along that route: https://www.lataco.com/union-pacific-theft-police-laid-off/ https://www.lataco.com/union-pacific-theft-police-laid-off/ The LAPD has a $3b a year budget, and crime is down: https://twitter.com/pplscitycouncil/status/1474498071711010817?s=21 https://twitter.com/pplscitycouncil/status/14744980717110108... Coincidentally the LAPD is trying to get a 12% budget increase: https://twitter.com/equalityalec/status/1484966544681619461?s=21 https://twitter.com/equalityalec/status/1484966544681619461?... So we have a private company who fires 80% of their police force (not security! They have arrest powers!), then there is a shocking, SHOCKING rise in theft, which the LAPD turns into a cry for more funding despite crime being down. Remember that the reason railroads got the right to have their own police force was because it was their RESPONSIBILITY to protect the goods they carried - this is just shifting responsibility from them to the public.
  - throwawaysea 5y ago
    There’s a reason why this crime spree is happening in LA. I don’t think it’s because of UP’s jurisdiction over railroads. It’s because LA effectively attracts crime and criminals, because in practice they don’t face consequences (deterrents) and become increasingly bold as repeat offenders. LA has induced a cesspool that then bleeds into affecting things like the railroads that run through the area. There’s a reason you don’t hear about this sort of thing happening in Texas or wherever else. You’re also ignoring the fact that the arrested criminals are handed over to the LA criminal justice system, where the city prosecutors (led by Soros-funded progressive restorative justice advocate George Gascon) reduced/dismisses charges and releases repeat offenders back into the public. This is exactly what the Union Pacific has complained about (https://www.up.com/cs/groups/public/@uprr/@newsinfo/documents/up_pdf_nativedocs/pdf_up_la_district_atty_211221.pdf https://www.up.com/cs/groups/public/@uprr/@newsinfo/document...). Finally, the claim that crime is down in cities practicing restorative justice is completely disconnected from reality and laughable. Individuals and businesses see and experience crime regularly and simply don’t bother reporting it anymore. Nothing is done about these incidents by city leadership and prosecutors, criminals aren’t brought to justice, and insurance claims are expensive due to deductibles. Crime is therefore, predictably, grossly underreported.