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Anecdotally, the three people in my house have all tested positive for 'rona within two weeks after each of us has been boosted.

vlovich123 5y ago
There's a difference between "you won't get infected" and "you won't end up in the hospital". The current state of the vaccine is not effective for the former against Omicron. It still remains highly effective for the latter. As a thank you to medical workers who are still overworked, please get vaccinated to reduce the burden on the hospital system.
- fithisux 5y ago
  This is not what they said to us the first 2 times here in Greece. And after so much vaccination we are in the worst condition ever. Who knows, maybe with the 4th round we may be lucky.
  - YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
    You know when a program you coded doesn't work anymore or only with degraded performance because of an outside api? That's it you need to patch it. stop talking like it's something unbelievable insidious happening we need updated influeca vaccines every year. ffs
    - Baloo 5y ago
      https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o102 https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o102 Covid-19 vaccines and treatments: we must have raw data, now. The BMJ supports vaccination policies based on sound evidence. As the global vaccine rollout continues, it cannot be justifiable or in the best interests of patients and the public that we are left to just trust “in the system,” with the distant hope that the underlying data may become available for independent scrutiny at some point in the future. The same applies to treatments for covid-19. Transparency is the key to building trust and an important route to answering people’s legitimate questions about the efficacy and safety of vaccines and treatments and the clinical and public health policies established for their use. Pharmaceutical companies are reaping vast profits without adequate independent scrutiny of their scientific claims. The purpose of regulators is not to dance to the tune of rich global corporations and enrich them further; it is to protect the health of their populations. We need complete data transparency for all studies, we need it in the public interest, and we need it now.
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
        Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30015076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30015076
        Baloo 5y ago
        Peoples concerns and hesitancy surrounding the efficacy and safety of pharmaceuticals is not born in a vacuum, it comes from years of profiteering at the expense of patients. If there is a stigma and lack of faith surrounding these companies, it is typically due to historical precedent. There is a reason that drug manufacturers are some of the least trusted companies in the world, time and time again they abused their position and this has to be acknowledged. The more transparency that can be achieved with their products, the better.
    - ls15 5y ago
      > You know when a program you coded doesn't work anymore or only with degraded performance because of an outside api? That's it you need to patch it. stop talking like it's something unbelievable insidious happening we need updated influeca vaccines every year. ffs That's fine, as long as nobody acts like they know how it protects people in the future and tries to force it on people.
      - acdha 5y ago
        The vaccines clearly do protect people by a significant degree, and as we’ve seen they’ve also been highly effective against strains which arose after the initial development. That makes it quite reasonable to expect that vaccinated people will fare better against future variants, and even if you’re a complete sociopath who doesn’t care about the human cost, that means society will be better off with fewer disruptions due to illness and less stress on the medical system.
        ls15 5y ago
        That's some other goalpost (with regard to mandating vaccinations). Vitamin D clearly does protect people by a significant degree and it is not mandated. > and even if you’re a complete sociopath who doesn’t care about the human cost Or on the opposite end of the spectrum, a complete sociopath who does not care about overriding people's personal medical decisions and moves the goalpost over and over in order to achieve that goal as we were able to see in popular media during the pandemic.
        acdha 5y ago
        > Vitamin D clearly does protect people by a significant degree and it is not mandated. Mandates are rare and restricted to things which are well-established scientifically, like the efficacy of vaccination.
        ls15 5y ago
        https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11739-021-02902-w https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11739-021-02902-w > In this large observational population study, we show a significant association between vitamin D deficiency and the risks of SARS-CoV-2 infection and of severe disease in those infected. There are many other studies that say the same.
  - _kulang 5y ago
    Well we got unlucky with omicron, after already being unlucky with delta. Disease changed but the vaccines are the same - vaxxed people are probably totally immune to the original strain

vlovich123 5y ago

There's a difference between "you won't get infected" and "you won't end up in the hospital". The current state of the vaccine is not effective for the former against Omicron. It still remains highly effective for the latter. As a thank you to medical workers who are still overworked, please get vaccinated to reduce the burden on the hospital system.

fithisux 5y ago
This is not what they said to us the first 2 times here in Greece. And after so much vaccination we are in the worst condition ever. Who knows, maybe with the 4th round we may be lucky.
- YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
  You know when a program you coded doesn't work anymore or only with degraded performance because of an outside api? That's it you need to patch it. stop talking like it's something unbelievable insidious happening we need updated influeca vaccines every year. ffs
  - Baloo 5y ago
    https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o102 https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o102 Covid-19 vaccines and treatments: we must have raw data, now. The BMJ supports vaccination policies based on sound evidence. As the global vaccine rollout continues, it cannot be justifiable or in the best interests of patients and the public that we are left to just trust “in the system,” with the distant hope that the underlying data may become available for independent scrutiny at some point in the future. The same applies to treatments for covid-19. Transparency is the key to building trust and an important route to answering people’s legitimate questions about the efficacy and safety of vaccines and treatments and the clinical and public health policies established for their use. Pharmaceutical companies are reaping vast profits without adequate independent scrutiny of their scientific claims. The purpose of regulators is not to dance to the tune of rich global corporations and enrich them further; it is to protect the health of their populations. We need complete data transparency for all studies, we need it in the public interest, and we need it now.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
      Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30015076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30015076
      - Baloo 5y ago
        Peoples concerns and hesitancy surrounding the efficacy and safety of pharmaceuticals is not born in a vacuum, it comes from years of profiteering at the expense of patients. If there is a stigma and lack of faith surrounding these companies, it is typically due to historical precedent. There is a reason that drug manufacturers are some of the least trusted companies in the world, time and time again they abused their position and this has to be acknowledged. The more transparency that can be achieved with their products, the better.
  - ls15 5y ago
    > You know when a program you coded doesn't work anymore or only with degraded performance because of an outside api? That's it you need to patch it. stop talking like it's something unbelievable insidious happening we need updated influeca vaccines every year. ffs That's fine, as long as nobody acts like they know how it protects people in the future and tries to force it on people.
    - acdha 5y ago
      The vaccines clearly do protect people by a significant degree, and as we’ve seen they’ve also been highly effective against strains which arose after the initial development. That makes it quite reasonable to expect that vaccinated people will fare better against future variants, and even if you’re a complete sociopath who doesn’t care about the human cost, that means society will be better off with fewer disruptions due to illness and less stress on the medical system.
      - ls15 5y ago
        That's some other goalpost (with regard to mandating vaccinations). Vitamin D clearly does protect people by a significant degree and it is not mandated. > and even if you’re a complete sociopath who doesn’t care about the human cost Or on the opposite end of the spectrum, a complete sociopath who does not care about overriding people's personal medical decisions and moves the goalpost over and over in order to achieve that goal as we were able to see in popular media during the pandemic.
        acdha 5y ago
        > Vitamin D clearly does protect people by a significant degree and it is not mandated. Mandates are rare and restricted to things which are well-established scientifically, like the efficacy of vaccination.
        ls15 5y ago
        https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11739-021-02902-w https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11739-021-02902-w > In this large observational population study, we show a significant association between vitamin D deficiency and the risks of SARS-CoV-2 infection and of severe disease in those infected. There are many other studies that say the same.
- _kulang 5y ago
  Well we got unlucky with omicron, after already being unlucky with delta. Disease changed but the vaccines are the same - vaxxed people are probably totally immune to the original strain