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Excuse me but there have been times last year where Ireland had the highest infection cases in Europe (shamefully). To be honest I wasn't very convinced that th

Excuse me but there have been times last year where Ireland had the highest infection cases in Europe (shamefully). To be honest I wasn't very convinced that there was a ever a real lockdown here, just people using their cars less. Now it's back to normal almost.

s1artibartfast 5y ago
Infections or lock downs should never be the barometer of success. Success should be measured by death tolls, happiness, and economic prosperity.
- igetspam 5y ago
  How would you account for happiness in relation to death tolls? Are they neutral or negative? Or maybe positive, if they're religious? An increase in per capita infections feels like a pretty solid negative indicator of success. Happiness during this whole ordeal is often directly related to faith in science and willingness to make hard choices to ultimately strive for a reduction in infections. People who make hard choices to protect others aren't doing it to be happy, they're doing it to be right. Maybe you could convince me to agree to economics as indicator but not an immediate one. The results of our choices will take years to fully manifest and understand and the if you want to look at it in th immediate term, the US markets just took a dive and that will have global impact. So... success?
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    I think you missed my point entirely. Infections alone are meaningless. The only reason to even think about them is they impact other parts of daily life. If infections are 100x higher, but everyone is healthy and happy, who cares. To the extent we should care, it is because they have impacts on other aspects of our life. If a country is healthy, happy, and prosperous, their policy was a success, even if infections are high. Alternatively, if a country is swamped with deaths, miserable, and economically failing, it doesn't matter if their infection numbers are low and they had the harshest lock downs.

s1artibartfast 5y ago

Infections or lock downs should never be the barometer of success. Success should be measured by death tolls, happiness, and economic prosperity.

igetspam 5y ago
How would you account for happiness in relation to death tolls? Are they neutral or negative? Or maybe positive, if they're religious? An increase in per capita infections feels like a pretty solid negative indicator of success. Happiness during this whole ordeal is often directly related to faith in science and willingness to make hard choices to ultimately strive for a reduction in infections. People who make hard choices to protect others aren't doing it to be happy, they're doing it to be right. Maybe you could convince me to agree to economics as indicator but not an immediate one. The results of our choices will take years to fully manifest and understand and the if you want to look at it in th immediate term, the US markets just took a dive and that will have global impact. So... success?
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  I think you missed my point entirely. Infections alone are meaningless. The only reason to even think about them is they impact other parts of daily life. If infections are 100x higher, but everyone is healthy and happy, who cares. To the extent we should care, it is because they have impacts on other aspects of our life. If a country is healthy, happy, and prosperous, their policy was a success, even if infections are high. Alternatively, if a country is swamped with deaths, miserable, and economically failing, it doesn't matter if their infection numbers are low and they had the harshest lock downs.