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Vaccination can be a hardship if it causes adverse events. The long-term negative health effects of COVID infection in children are isolated to the high risk co

by JPKab 5y ago

Vaccination can be a hardship if it causes adverse events. The long-term negative health effects of COVID infection in children are isolated to the high risk comorbidity group, including COVID induced myocarditis. Healthy kids who contract COVID do not develop myocarditis later. Meanwhile, healthy kids who get the vaccines are at a small risk of developing myocarditis with the risk being far higher than developing it from COVID. I have two children and they are not getting any COVID vaccine unless a second generation one that is not experimental is developed. I don't want any shot developed during the Trump administration in a rushed federal program injected into my kids and you shouldn't either. They've already both caught the virus and had no symptoms whatsoever. We wouldn't have even known they had it if not for the fact that I had lost my sense of smell and got tested. Children are at lower risk from COVID-19 than they are from influenza. That is the data and it might not agree with your priors but it doesn't change the fact that that is the data. It should be noted that the second generation of the COVID vaccine is going to look nothing like the first. They are likely not going to use the same components of the virus that they did with the first generation because the spike protein payload has unintended consequences in some human beings. I acknowledge that this subgroup of human beings is a small minority but it happened to include my mother-in-law who is now dead after suffering cardiac arrest 4 hours after her second shot. In case you think I am a nutty anti-vaxxer I assure you I am not. I firmly believe that my father is alive today because of the vaccine. He was in a high-risk category and I just don't believe he would have survived COVID infection if he had caught it. It's a great idea for people like him and people in his age group. Hell, it was a good idea for my mother-in-law, but unintended consequences are going to happen when you have a practically untested vaccine administered to a massive population. Both of them are at high risk from the virus. My children are simply not. People seem to be unwilling to admit that a vaccine developed for a rapidly evolving virus in 2020 isn't very effective in 2022. I don't know why this cognitive dissonance is so strong, but it's just the fact. It prevents hospitalization but not spread. That's a good thing, but it's a private health effect, not a public one.

jjoonathan 5y ago
> small risk of developing myocarditis "small" is doing a lot of work here. As a society, we are generally comfortable with mandates that contain a small amount of risk. This had better be a large value of "small." > Among more than 2.5 million vaccinated HCO members who were 16 years of age or older, 54 cases met the criteria for myocarditis. The estimated incidence per 100,000 persons who had received at least one dose of vaccine was 2.13 cases (95% confidence interval [CI], 1.56 to 2.70). The highest incidence of myocarditis (10.69 cases per 100,000 persons; 95% CI, 6.93 to 14.46) was reported in male patients between the ages of 16 and 29 years. A total of 76% of cases of myocarditis were described as mild and 22% as intermediate; 1 case was associated with cardiogenic shock. Oh, it isn't. It's tiny. How many thousands of people do you have to stack on the railroad before you pull the switch on the trolley problem? Not this many. Not a hardship.
- JPKab 5y ago
  If you're going to quote the trolley problem at me, you need to explain to me the benefit of the vaccine for this age group. Risk of the virus for this age group is tiny. The primary rationale for vaccinating children originally was to prevent them from spreading the virus. With the new variants, this rationale has disappeared. It is now a private health decision, not a public health one. I really dislike these public health studies where they wave their hands at myocarditis and treat it like it's not a big deal. There's no cardiologist that would tell you that. It's very serious and carries with it a dramatically elevated risk of lifelong cardiac problems down the road. I will not allow the paranoia of a bunch of self-righteous cowards to put my kids at risk. Get the shot, move on with your life and leave the rest of us alone. We aren't responsible for soothing your paranoia anymore. The virus is now endemic courtesy of a lab in China funded by self-righteous arrogant scientists in the US. That's a controversial statement but it's the truth. Unfortunately, most of the people complaining about my kids not being vaccinated would rather be angry at me than angry at the people who unleashed this virus on the world. https://ravarora.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-vaccine-induced-myocarditis https://ravarora.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-vaccine-indu... https://peterattiamd.com/why-im-for-covid-vaccines-but-against-vaccine-mandates/ https://peterattiamd.com/why-im-for-covid-vaccines-but-again... https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-vaccines-are-a-tool-not-a-silver-bullet-if-wed-allowed-more-scientific/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-vaccines-are...

by JPKab 5y ago

jjoonathan 5y ago

> small risk of developing myocarditis "small" is doing a lot of work here. As a society, we are generally comfortable with mandates that contain a small amount of risk. This had better be a large value of "small." > Among more than 2.5 million vaccinated HCO members who were 16 years of age or older, 54 cases met the criteria for myocarditis. The estimated incidence per 100,000 persons who had received at least one dose of vaccine was 2.13 cases (95% confidence interval [CI], 1.56 to 2.70). The highest incidence of myocarditis (10.69 cases per 100,000 persons; 95% CI, 6.93 to 14.46) was reported in male patients between the ages of 16 and 29 years. A total of 76% of cases of myocarditis were described as mild and 22% as intermediate; 1 case was associated with cardiogenic shock. Oh, it isn't. It's tiny. How many thousands of people do you have to stack on the railroad before you pull the switch on the trolley problem? Not this many. Not a hardship.

JPKab 5y ago
If you're going to quote the trolley problem at me, you need to explain to me the benefit of the vaccine for this age group. Risk of the virus for this age group is tiny. The primary rationale for vaccinating children originally was to prevent them from spreading the virus. With the new variants, this rationale has disappeared. It is now a private health decision, not a public health one. I really dislike these public health studies where they wave their hands at myocarditis and treat it like it's not a big deal. There's no cardiologist that would tell you that. It's very serious and carries with it a dramatically elevated risk of lifelong cardiac problems down the road. I will not allow the paranoia of a bunch of self-righteous cowards to put my kids at risk. Get the shot, move on with your life and leave the rest of us alone. We aren't responsible for soothing your paranoia anymore. The virus is now endemic courtesy of a lab in China funded by self-righteous arrogant scientists in the US. That's a controversial statement but it's the truth. Unfortunately, most of the people complaining about my kids not being vaccinated would rather be angry at me than angry at the people who unleashed this virus on the world. https://ravarora.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-vaccine-induced-myocarditis https://ravarora.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-vaccine-indu... https://peterattiamd.com/why-im-for-covid-vaccines-but-against-vaccine-mandates/ https://peterattiamd.com/why-im-for-covid-vaccines-but-again... https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-vaccines-are-a-tool-not-a-silver-bullet-if-wed-allowed-more-scientific/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-vaccines-are...