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I went from moderate (weekends, social, never alone) drinking to _zero_ drinking for about five years. This was during peak "social" life of after university an

I went from moderate (weekends, social, never alone) drinking to _zero_ drinking for about five years. This was during peak "social" life of after university and before marriage. I did the exact same things I used to do except with no alcohol: bars, clubs, parties, whatever. The toughest thing was realizing how...boring...some of these activities can be. There is, by default, an enormous amount of "down time" at a bar or club or young person's party; down time that people tend to fill by going to the bar for a drink, or sipping on a cocktail, or eventually by being drunk and letting the time pass. The second toughest thing was realizing how irritating drunk people (and yes, this includes your friends) can be when you're sober. But I stuck with it, and after a few months I learned different strategies for enjoying a night out--usually revolving around talking to other sober people, or dancing--and my life is much better for it. Lastly, in my experience i didn't feel the full mental benefits of no alcohol until after about four or six months without a drop.

tpoacher 5y ago
- reducesuffering 5y ago
celticninja 5y ago
Working in a bar is a great way to understand how annoying drunk people are.
YellowTrooper 5y ago
Great comment, especially last sentence - no mental benefits of being sober in a short run. You can even start to think on 3rd month - why I did so if nothing changed? But after 6 months you will feel much, much better, I can confirm this and I heard this opinion few times from quitters. Some people might expect enlightenment after week of sober life. Never understand why, if alcohol require years to turn you to an alcoholic, how you can back to normal life in a week time?
- hellisothers 5y ago
  6 months feels like confirmation bias “I feel good today, it must be because of quitting 6 months ago”, assuming these people weren’t debilitated alcoholics it seems like they probably can’t remember that far back
  - ffwacom 5y ago
    It sounds about right here. I thought I had lifelong depression/anxiety, but it disappeared totally around 6 months of being sober.
Eddy_Viscosity2 5y ago
Also agree with the last part. I stopped drinking pretty much at the start of the pandemic, so two years in now. I noticed some differences after about two weeks, others after a month or so, but the took about 6-8 months before the full effects came in. One key change for me was the after 6-8 months, at about that point I stopped even thinking of drinking. It no longer took up any mental space and energy.
alanfranz 5y ago
> Lastly, in my experience i didn't feel the full mental benefits of no alcohol until after about four or six months without a drop. Is that really a thing even for moderate or very moderate drinkers (like, 4-5 glasses of wine per month)? Do you really feel mental benefits from being totally sober? What kind of benefits? Is there any study about this?
- D13Fd 5y ago
  I’ve never drank alcohol other than during a 1-year period 10+ years ago, when I tried to get into it at the urging of friends (it didn’t take). I don’t recall feeling any overall mental differences in the period where I was drinking, although I was only doing it once a week or so.
- el_nahual 5y ago
  I have no idea if there are any studies. It's a very subtle difference. I would describe it as a certain... crispness. A mild hum of well being in the back of the brain. Like lifting the very light blanket of an endless hangover; a blanket so light you don't notice its presence, only its absence. Of course--and as usual for this sort of thing--lots of confounding factors, N of 1, YMMV, etc etc
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  - DiggyJohnson 5y ago
    Well said, and what's interesting to me is that this matches my experiences quitting serious nicotine and marijuana addictions as well as alcohol.
- cik2e 5y ago
  In my humble opinion, I think 4-5 glasses of wine per month, even if you have them all in one sitting, is effectively the same as not drinking at all. From a biological perspective. I was having two to three strong IPAs every single evening for about the last 10 years. This would give me a nice buzz but nothing close to getting drunk. I stopped completely six months ago. Since then, I've had no noticeable mental benefits to speak of, but I also wasn't experiencing any noticable negative effects beforehand. I have never had elevated liver enzymes. I am physically active and keep a healthy diet. I decided to stop less for the health reasons but more because I was definitel psychologically super addicted. At this point in my life, I want to begin a new phase without any substances having a hold on me. Pot was a much more serious issue for me, but alcohol is objectively worse for the body so I figured I might as well let go of it too. Overall, stopping was surprisingly easy. No withdrawals or anything like that. After two weeks I started having emotional cravings for IPAs, cause they are just so damn tasty. That, and kicking back after work with my wife and a few beers had become a very ingrained ritual. Another month from there that went away, along with any thoughts of wanting to drink, period. Going food shopping is about the only time I'm reminded that alcohol exists. I did make the conscious choice to have a 9% 20oz IPA after about 4 months off. I was very curious about what kind of effect that would have after such a long break. It was strange. I barely felt any effect from the alcohol and got a nasty hangover the next day that lasted into the early evening. I suspected this had something to do with the hops so two weeks ago I repeated the experiment with 24 oz. of 10% Belguian sour. No hangover but still a very subdued effect from the alcohol. I guess even though my enzymes weren't elevated, there is some other mechanism that was making my liver less efficient at processing the booze when I was drinking. Anyway, my main point is it's all a matter of habit. Unless you're well into the physical addiction phase of alcoholism, it's 100% emotional. Things were a bit easier for me in that I don't like going to bars one bit. House parties were a lot of fun in college but as an adult my social drinking would almost always involve a few friends hanging out at someone's house. Quality time with good friends if they are drinking and you're not is just as good. For those who are into the bar scene, ummm, maybe try pot? But overall, I'd say that if alcohol makes a boring activity tolerable, it obviously makes sense to do something that you actually enjoy instead. For all of you wanting to stop drinking, just give it a go. It may take a month or two to delete the habit, but it will happen.

tpoacher 5y ago

reducesuffering 5y ago

celticninja 5y ago

Working in a bar is a great way to understand how annoying drunk people are.

YellowTrooper 5y ago

Great comment, especially last sentence - no mental benefits of being sober in a short run. You can even start to think on 3rd month - why I did so if nothing changed? But after 6 months you will feel much, much better, I can confirm this and I heard this opinion few times from quitters. Some people might expect enlightenment after week of sober life. Never understand why, if alcohol require years to turn you to an alcoholic, how you can back to normal life in a week time?

hellisothers 5y ago
6 months feels like confirmation bias “I feel good today, it must be because of quitting 6 months ago”, assuming these people weren’t debilitated alcoholics it seems like they probably can’t remember that far back
- ffwacom 5y ago
  It sounds about right here. I thought I had lifelong depression/anxiety, but it disappeared totally around 6 months of being sober.

Eddy_Viscosity2 5y ago

Also agree with the last part. I stopped drinking pretty much at the start of the pandemic, so two years in now. I noticed some differences after about two weeks, others after a month or so, but the took about 6-8 months before the full effects came in. One key change for me was the after 6-8 months, at about that point I stopped even thinking of drinking. It no longer took up any mental space and energy.

alanfranz 5y ago

> Lastly, in my experience i didn't feel the full mental benefits of no alcohol until after about four or six months without a drop. Is that really a thing even for moderate or very moderate drinkers (like, 4-5 glasses of wine per month)? Do you really feel mental benefits from being totally sober? What kind of benefits? Is there any study about this?

D13Fd 5y ago
I’ve never drank alcohol other than during a 1-year period 10+ years ago, when I tried to get into it at the urging of friends (it didn’t take). I don’t recall feeling any overall mental differences in the period where I was drinking, although I was only doing it once a week or so.
el_nahual 5y ago
I have no idea if there are any studies. It's a very subtle difference. I would describe it as a certain... crispness. A mild hum of well being in the back of the brain. Like lifting the very light blanket of an endless hangover; a blanket so light you don't notice its presence, only its absence. Of course--and as usual for this sort of thing--lots of confounding factors, N of 1, YMMV, etc etc
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- DiggyJohnson 5y ago
  Well said, and what's interesting to me is that this matches my experiences quitting serious nicotine and marijuana addictions as well as alcohol.
cik2e 5y ago
In my humble opinion, I think 4-5 glasses of wine per month, even if you have them all in one sitting, is effectively the same as not drinking at all. From a biological perspective. I was having two to three strong IPAs every single evening for about the last 10 years. This would give me a nice buzz but nothing close to getting drunk. I stopped completely six months ago. Since then, I've had no noticeable mental benefits to speak of, but I also wasn't experiencing any noticable negative effects beforehand. I have never had elevated liver enzymes. I am physically active and keep a healthy diet. I decided to stop less for the health reasons but more because I was definitel psychologically super addicted. At this point in my life, I want to begin a new phase without any substances having a hold on me. Pot was a much more serious issue for me, but alcohol is objectively worse for the body so I figured I might as well let go of it too. Overall, stopping was surprisingly easy. No withdrawals or anything like that. After two weeks I started having emotional cravings for IPAs, cause they are just so damn tasty. That, and kicking back after work with my wife and a few beers had become a very ingrained ritual. Another month from there that went away, along with any thoughts of wanting to drink, period. Going food shopping is about the only time I'm reminded that alcohol exists. I did make the conscious choice to have a 9% 20oz IPA after about 4 months off. I was very curious about what kind of effect that would have after such a long break. It was strange. I barely felt any effect from the alcohol and got a nasty hangover the next day that lasted into the early evening. I suspected this had something to do with the hops so two weeks ago I repeated the experiment with 24 oz. of 10% Belguian sour. No hangover but still a very subdued effect from the alcohol. I guess even though my enzymes weren't elevated, there is some other mechanism that was making my liver less efficient at processing the booze when I was drinking. Anyway, my main point is it's all a matter of habit. Unless you're well into the physical addiction phase of alcoholism, it's 100% emotional. Things were a bit easier for me in that I don't like going to bars one bit. House parties were a lot of fun in college but as an adult my social drinking would almost always involve a few friends hanging out at someone's house. Quality time with good friends if they are drinking and you're not is just as good. For those who are into the bar scene, ummm, maybe try pot? But overall, I'd say that if alcohol makes a boring activity tolerable, it obviously makes sense to do something that you actually enjoy instead. For all of you wanting to stop drinking, just give it a go. It may take a month or two to delete the habit, but it will happen.