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Few months ago, somebody did a series of live streaming events on bringing up a 486-based tablet PC (which happened to be an old voting machine) with modern lin

Few months ago, somebody did a series of live streaming events on bringing up a 486-based tablet PC (which happened to be an old voting machine) with modern linux. Kernel turned out to be the easy part. Booting grub from BIOS that doesn't support LBA addressing (CHS only) - a bit harder. Running X11 on hardware without PCI - ridiculously hard: https://diode.zone/w/kMhja4oBUvP6CScsiDZP38 https://diode.zone/w/kMhja4oBUvP6CScsiDZP38

hulitu 5y ago
From some time X is a moving target. It's better if you can run XFree86 on old hardware.
anthk 5y ago
Try Delicate Linux. Compile Libressl, then install it at /opt/libressl and recompile Lynx against libressl with CFLAGS="-I/opt/libressl/include" LDFLAGS="-L/opt/libressl/lib" ./configure; make; sudo make install. Try gopher://hngopher.com first and later, https://news.ycombinator.com https://news.ycombinator.com
HeckFeck 5y ago
Perhaps this was addressed in the video, but I wonder if that tinkerer tried LILO? It is still supported and might fare better with old hardware.
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- morganvachon 5y ago
  Indeed, Slackware still defaults to LILO/eLILO and it works perfectly fine on modern hardware, older hardware from LILO's heyday should be no issue at all. I still hang on to a PIII based Dell Latitude laptop from 2001 and Slackware -current runs surprisingly well on it (along with BeOS 5.1 from my original disc, QNX RTOS, OpenBSD, NetBSD, and a few other obscure OSes from its generation to today).
  - mattl 5y ago
    All of those booting on one machine?
    - morganvachon 5y ago
      Swapping hard drives, yes. Slackware boots on the original Windows 98 hard drive alongside Windows, and I have two other drives. One has BeOS 5.1, the other is my test drive I use to try out other OSes (NetBSD is on it right now if I remember correctly, but it hangs during boot sometimes). PATA laptop drives are getting scarce but I do have a PATA-SD adapter lying about that works in a few OSes and I have no shortage of SD cards due to my Raspberry Pi addiction.
  - xianwen 5y ago
    Some modern laptops support only UEFI booting, when booting from internal hard drive. Does LILO/eLILO support UEFI booting?
    - morganvachon 5y ago
      Yes, eLILO was made for this purpose. I still prefer it to GRUB, though EFISTUB is an option as well for those who don't want or need either, as long as your particular UEFI supports it.
    - nousermane 5y ago
      Yes. "e" in "eLILO" stands for "EFI". But then (U)EFI is an OS in itself, you can boot Linux directly from it, no bootloader needed: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFISTUB https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFISTUB
      - mwcampbell 5y ago
        > But then (U)EFI is an OS in itself Would it be accurate to describe (U)EFI as being like MS-DOS (i.e. single-tasking), but running in protected mode?

hulitu 5y ago

From some time X is a moving target. It's better if you can run XFree86 on old hardware.

anthk 5y ago

Try Delicate Linux. Compile Libressl, then install it at /opt/libressl and recompile Lynx against libressl with CFLAGS="-I/opt/libressl/include" LDFLAGS="-L/opt/libressl/lib" ./configure; make; sudo make install. Try gopher://hngopher.com first and later, https://news.ycombinator.com https://news.ycombinator.com

HeckFeck 5y ago

Perhaps this was addressed in the video, but I wonder if that tinkerer tried LILO? It is still supported and might fare better with old hardware.

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morganvachon 5y ago
Indeed, Slackware still defaults to LILO/eLILO and it works perfectly fine on modern hardware, older hardware from LILO's heyday should be no issue at all. I still hang on to a PIII based Dell Latitude laptop from 2001 and Slackware -current runs surprisingly well on it (along with BeOS 5.1 from my original disc, QNX RTOS, OpenBSD, NetBSD, and a few other obscure OSes from its generation to today).
- mattl 5y ago
  All of those booting on one machine?
  - morganvachon 5y ago
    Swapping hard drives, yes. Slackware boots on the original Windows 98 hard drive alongside Windows, and I have two other drives. One has BeOS 5.1, the other is my test drive I use to try out other OSes (NetBSD is on it right now if I remember correctly, but it hangs during boot sometimes). PATA laptop drives are getting scarce but I do have a PATA-SD adapter lying about that works in a few OSes and I have no shortage of SD cards due to my Raspberry Pi addiction.
- xianwen 5y ago
  Some modern laptops support only UEFI booting, when booting from internal hard drive. Does LILO/eLILO support UEFI booting?
  - morganvachon 5y ago
    Yes, eLILO was made for this purpose. I still prefer it to GRUB, though EFISTUB is an option as well for those who don't want or need either, as long as your particular UEFI supports it.
  - nousermane 5y ago
    Yes. "e" in "eLILO" stands for "EFI". But then (U)EFI is an OS in itself, you can boot Linux directly from it, no bootloader needed: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFISTUB https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFISTUB
    - mwcampbell 5y ago
      > But then (U)EFI is an OS in itself Would it be accurate to describe (U)EFI as being like MS-DOS (i.e. single-tasking), but running in protected mode?