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Unless you’re someone with a child under 5 who hasn’t been able to get vaccinated yet. My wife and I are fully vaccinated + booster but we are still choosing to

by nkrisc 5y ago

Unless you’re someone with a child under 5 who hasn’t been able to get vaccinated yet. My wife and I are fully vaccinated + booster but we are still choosing to be extra careful because our 4 year old can’t get vaccinated yet. So it’s a little frustrating to hear people talk like this when not everyone can get vaccinated yet.

akmarinov 5y ago
Child death rate is basically 0
- PragmaticPulp 5y ago
  Death isn’t the only negative outcome. Omicron has a higher propensity to infect the upper respiratory tract, which is less developed in young children. You need to forget what you’ve heard about older variants and children. Look at the stats. More kids are being hospitalized in this wave and more deaths are occurring per capita in 0-14 year olds. It’s not good.
  - djrogers 5y ago
    > more deaths are occurring per capita in 0-14 year olds. Citation please? Current CDC data don’t show enough deaths in that age range to be statistically significant, let alone provide that conclusion.
    - nkrisc 5y ago
      Having personally known a 2 year old who was severely ill from COVID-19, I'll do what I can to prevent that happening to my child. Statistics mean nothing once something bad has happened to you. It's not like having been struck by lightning is less bad because the odds of happening to you were low. I will do what I can to stack the odds in our favor.
      - blindmute 5y ago
        What you're doing is hearing that your friend got struck by lightning, and then deciding to never walk outside while it's raining. If you knew someone who got severe myocarditis from the vaccine, would you then become anti vax? Or does your fear only go in media approved directions?
- thejackgoode 5y ago
  Same goes for a child walking or using public transport to school, but almost everyone drives them. Endangering a child in a preventable way is now a socially punishable behavior
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    Parents may be choosing to value the benefits of the child playing with other children more than the tail risk of a viral infection. I am not saying one is right or wrong, but I think it is valid to look at all the other viral infections kids are exposed to and cannot be vaccinated against, and realize they just have to roll the dice. In the past 4 years, my kids have had RSV, a noro or rotavirus, probably Covid at least once, and a numerous other viruses. RSV/noro were the worst, but if they are going to play with other kids, it is all but guaranteed they will have something. I am actually most afraid of noro/rota viruses, far more than Covid. That thing tore through the entire daycare and shutdown multiple classes within 2 days, and the cleanup from all the vomit was crazy.
  - distances 5y ago
    Where do almost all parents drive kids to school? In the US?
    - stephenhuey 5y ago
      Yes, in a lot of the US. I know so few people who do not drive kids to school that the outliers are remarkable.
      - distances 5y ago
        I see, sorry to hear that. It's better in Europe though here too the number of parent chauffeurs has definitely increased. I thought the school bus is still the US way but that's probably then just movies keeping up that appearance.
        zdragnar 5y ago
- nkrisc 5y ago
  Cool. Can you say the same for my elderly relatives that would like to spend time around our child? I’m not as worried about the child as I’m worried about him spreading it to someone who won’t be spared.
  - encryptluks2 5y ago
    Is the action of your elderly relatives spending a lot of time around your child worth compromising your child's normal youth and mental health?
    - nkrisc 5y ago
      Please elaborate: in what way is our child's normal youth and mental health being compromised? Are you spying on us? How do you know what we're doing?
  - t0bia_s 5y ago
    Vaccines wont give you imminity for spreading virus. Inform yourself, please.
    - nkrisc 5y ago
      Of course not, and I never stated as such. That's why even though I'm vaccinated I still wear mask in crowded public places. From the informing of myself I've done, the studies I've seen on the topic so far do suggest reduced transmission by vaccinated individuals. If you know studies that show otherwise, please share them I'd love to read them. We're trying to balance multiple factors: living our life normally, protecting ourselves, protecting family members we still interact with. We take some known risks: sending child to preschool, while taking known precautions: wearing masks, getting vaccinated. If being vaccinated reduces the chance that we might spread the virus to someone, then that's a marginal advantage we'll stack in our favor.
      - t0bia_s 5y ago
        You can find "study" on everything. So it is a matter of trust. I prefer to do study offline and talk with people personaly about their experiences. Oh wait... Is it dangerous? Living normally is probably only one thing that we can do. Vaccines, masks, lockdowns... None works. But if we are daily exposed to news with fear agenda, we will never live normally again. We shoul live, not survive and loose our time. Btw... Reduced chance of spreading virus wont make people immune to catch it. But yet... Gonverments consider vaccinated people as immune. Why?
orobinson 5y ago
That's because the chances of serious illness with Covid in under 5s is extremely small. Here in the UK nobody under 12 has been vaccinated except those who are extremely vulnerable. The data for England[0] puts the death rate within 28 days of a positive test in the 0-4 age group at 0.8 per 100,000. I believe there are around 3 million children in that age group in the UK so that works out as 24 deaths in that age group in the UK throughout the entire pandemic. Obviously that's a tragic number and awful for the affected families, but at the same time you have to put the risk to your children in perspective for your own sanity. My kids are 2 and 5 - they've both had Covid at least once, possibly twice and it was indistinguishable from all the other colds they've had since the pandemic hit. [0] https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation%26areaName=England#card-death_rates_within_28_days_of_positive_test_by_age_and_sex https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nati...
- nkrisc 5y ago
  I’m worried about him spreading it to immuno-compromised relatives.
  - orobinson 5y ago
    Understandable. Although vaccinations have proven only partially effective at preventing you getting covid so even if he was vaccinated you wouldn’t be in a much better position in that regard.
    - nkrisc 5y ago
      You might be right, but we’re erring on the side of caution. There are many things we can’t control so we’re focusing on the things we can.
      - zestyping 5y ago
        I don't know what the parent of your comment is talking about. Vaccination shots 6+ months ago are not that effective any more, but if you got a booster shot recently, it's very effective. It reduces your chances of getting COVID by a factor of 5 to 10.
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by nkrisc 5y ago

akmarinov 5y ago

Child death rate is basically 0

PragmaticPulp 5y ago
Death isn’t the only negative outcome. Omicron has a higher propensity to infect the upper respiratory tract, which is less developed in young children. You need to forget what you’ve heard about older variants and children. Look at the stats. More kids are being hospitalized in this wave and more deaths are occurring per capita in 0-14 year olds. It’s not good.
- djrogers 5y ago
  > more deaths are occurring per capita in 0-14 year olds. Citation please? Current CDC data don’t show enough deaths in that age range to be statistically significant, let alone provide that conclusion.
  - nkrisc 5y ago
    Having personally known a 2 year old who was severely ill from COVID-19, I'll do what I can to prevent that happening to my child. Statistics mean nothing once something bad has happened to you. It's not like having been struck by lightning is less bad because the odds of happening to you were low. I will do what I can to stack the odds in our favor.
    - blindmute 5y ago
      What you're doing is hearing that your friend got struck by lightning, and then deciding to never walk outside while it's raining. If you knew someone who got severe myocarditis from the vaccine, would you then become anti vax? Or does your fear only go in media approved directions?
thejackgoode 5y ago
Same goes for a child walking or using public transport to school, but almost everyone drives them. Endangering a child in a preventable way is now a socially punishable behavior
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  Parents may be choosing to value the benefits of the child playing with other children more than the tail risk of a viral infection. I am not saying one is right or wrong, but I think it is valid to look at all the other viral infections kids are exposed to and cannot be vaccinated against, and realize they just have to roll the dice. In the past 4 years, my kids have had RSV, a noro or rotavirus, probably Covid at least once, and a numerous other viruses. RSV/noro were the worst, but if they are going to play with other kids, it is all but guaranteed they will have something. I am actually most afraid of noro/rota viruses, far more than Covid. That thing tore through the entire daycare and shutdown multiple classes within 2 days, and the cleanup from all the vomit was crazy.
- distances 5y ago
  Where do almost all parents drive kids to school? In the US?
  - stephenhuey 5y ago
    Yes, in a lot of the US. I know so few people who do not drive kids to school that the outliers are remarkable.
    - distances 5y ago
      I see, sorry to hear that. It's better in Europe though here too the number of parent chauffeurs has definitely increased. I thought the school bus is still the US way but that's probably then just movies keeping up that appearance.
      - zdragnar 5y ago
nkrisc 5y ago
Cool. Can you say the same for my elderly relatives that would like to spend time around our child? I’m not as worried about the child as I’m worried about him spreading it to someone who won’t be spared.
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  Is the action of your elderly relatives spending a lot of time around your child worth compromising your child's normal youth and mental health?
  - nkrisc 5y ago
    Please elaborate: in what way is our child's normal youth and mental health being compromised? Are you spying on us? How do you know what we're doing?
- t0bia_s 5y ago
  Vaccines wont give you imminity for spreading virus. Inform yourself, please.
  - nkrisc 5y ago
    Of course not, and I never stated as such. That's why even though I'm vaccinated I still wear mask in crowded public places. From the informing of myself I've done, the studies I've seen on the topic so far do suggest reduced transmission by vaccinated individuals. If you know studies that show otherwise, please share them I'd love to read them. We're trying to balance multiple factors: living our life normally, protecting ourselves, protecting family members we still interact with. We take some known risks: sending child to preschool, while taking known precautions: wearing masks, getting vaccinated. If being vaccinated reduces the chance that we might spread the virus to someone, then that's a marginal advantage we'll stack in our favor.
    - t0bia_s 5y ago
      You can find "study" on everything. So it is a matter of trust. I prefer to do study offline and talk with people personaly about their experiences. Oh wait... Is it dangerous? Living normally is probably only one thing that we can do. Vaccines, masks, lockdowns... None works. But if we are daily exposed to news with fear agenda, we will never live normally again. We shoul live, not survive and loose our time. Btw... Reduced chance of spreading virus wont make people immune to catch it. But yet... Gonverments consider vaccinated people as immune. Why?

orobinson 5y ago

That's because the chances of serious illness with Covid in under 5s is extremely small. Here in the UK nobody under 12 has been vaccinated except those who are extremely vulnerable. The data for England[0] puts the death rate within 28 days of a positive test in the 0-4 age group at 0.8 per 100,000. I believe there are around 3 million children in that age group in the UK so that works out as 24 deaths in that age group in the UK throughout the entire pandemic. Obviously that's a tragic number and awful for the affected families, but at the same time you have to put the risk to your children in perspective for your own sanity. My kids are 2 and 5 - they've both had Covid at least once, possibly twice and it was indistinguishable from all the other colds they've had since the pandemic hit. [0] https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation%26areaName=England#card-death_rates_within_28_days_of_positive_test_by_age_and_sex https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nati...

nkrisc 5y ago
I’m worried about him spreading it to immuno-compromised relatives.
- orobinson 5y ago
  Understandable. Although vaccinations have proven only partially effective at preventing you getting covid so even if he was vaccinated you wouldn’t be in a much better position in that regard.
  - nkrisc 5y ago
    You might be right, but we’re erring on the side of caution. There are many things we can’t control so we’re focusing on the things we can.
    - zestyping 5y ago
      I don't know what the parent of your comment is talking about. Vaccination shots 6+ months ago are not that effective any more, but if you got a booster shot recently, it's very effective. It reduces your chances of getting COVID by a factor of 5 to 10.

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