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I had to deal with a family member not being able to get a place in the hospital this week, even though they would have otherwise(covid unrelated) - taking care

by meibo 5y ago

I had to deal with a family member not being able to get a place in the hospital this week, even though they would have otherwise(covid unrelated) - taking care of them at home is nearly impossible. No one cares until it affects them.

01100011 5y ago
We have the same issue, but the person chose not to get vaccinated. Hopefully she makes it because she is otherwise a wonderful person but if it happens, well, we tried to tell her.
- ThunderSizzle 5y ago
  - Operyl 5y ago
    Not the poster you replied to, but: The very very few, of course I’d feel sorry for her but I’d not have made a different decision in pushing for vaccination. Any treatment could have adverse reactions, it’s just how it goes.
    - glogla 5y ago
      I think there's a difference in feeling bad for someone with good intentions who got unlucky (vaccine adverse effect) and someone who active tried to make to world a worse place, fucked around and found out (antivaxxe). This whole pandemic made me realize that Paradox of Tolerance is much more general - there is also Paradox of Empathy and Paradox of Kindness and bunch others.
wccrawford 5y ago
>No one cares until it affects them. While many don't care until it affects them, that is not even close to universally true. I was surprised at the number of people who didn't care, and it seems to be about 50%, but characterizing everyone that way is incredibly unfair to all the people who worked tirelessly to try to convince people to get the vaccine.
- tagoregrtst 5y ago
  By telling them the president has lost his patience like a grumpy pater familias scolding children. That’s paternalism right there. If the self righteous cared about peoples lives instead of pushing people with relatively lower risk to get a vaccine they would have sent those vaccines to the third world to vaccinate the vulnerable there. Instead the WHO complained in early 2021 that we gave our vulnerable a double dose In the summer of 2021 WHO complained when we vaccinating our healthy young In the fall of 2021, the WHO was shocked when we rolled out boosters By now, the WHO has given up complaining about booster boosters. Instead its become evident that the people working relentlessly to vaccinate everyone are driven by fear of, not concern for, their neighbor
  - DangitBobby 5y ago
    Lots of judgement unsupported by your own facts. > By now, the WHO has given up complaining about booster boosters. Instead its become evident that the people working relentlessly to vaccinate everyone are driven by fear of, not concern for, their neighbor Or both.
tagoregrtst 5y ago
Sorry about your family member, but you really must specify where this occurred. As bad as US health care system is (and it is bad), it is ridiculously over capitalized. Compared with Canada, the US normally has 50% more ICU beds. More Dr. per capita (slightly) and a ridiculous larger number of nurses and secretaries. Therefore, Ontario’s health care system gets overwhelmed during bad flu seasons. In this scenario, Ontario’s recent lockdowns make (material) sense, but that doesnt mean that significant health care resources are being diverted in the US. By over capitalized, I mean the US has insane medical facilities everywhere people live. I live within a 5 minute drive of three major hospitals, and who knowns how many minor medical centers EDIT: Please dont take this to be a judgement on Ontario’s health system. Before COVID both my parents were successfully treated in Ontario for cancer, for which Im grateful. My comment is merely an illustrative example of how differences health care systems do and must affect government response

by meibo 5y ago

01100011 5y ago

We have the same issue, but the person chose not to get vaccinated. Hopefully she makes it because she is otherwise a wonderful person but if it happens, well, we tried to tell her.

ThunderSizzle 5y ago
- Operyl 5y ago
  Not the poster you replied to, but: The very very few, of course I’d feel sorry for her but I’d not have made a different decision in pushing for vaccination. Any treatment could have adverse reactions, it’s just how it goes.
  - glogla 5y ago
    I think there's a difference in feeling bad for someone with good intentions who got unlucky (vaccine adverse effect) and someone who active tried to make to world a worse place, fucked around and found out (antivaxxe). This whole pandemic made me realize that Paradox of Tolerance is much more general - there is also Paradox of Empathy and Paradox of Kindness and bunch others.

wccrawford 5y ago

>No one cares until it affects them. While many don't care until it affects them, that is not even close to universally true. I was surprised at the number of people who didn't care, and it seems to be about 50%, but characterizing everyone that way is incredibly unfair to all the people who worked tirelessly to try to convince people to get the vaccine.

tagoregrtst 5y ago
By telling them the president has lost his patience like a grumpy pater familias scolding children. That’s paternalism right there. If the self righteous cared about peoples lives instead of pushing people with relatively lower risk to get a vaccine they would have sent those vaccines to the third world to vaccinate the vulnerable there. Instead the WHO complained in early 2021 that we gave our vulnerable a double dose In the summer of 2021 WHO complained when we vaccinating our healthy young In the fall of 2021, the WHO was shocked when we rolled out boosters By now, the WHO has given up complaining about booster boosters. Instead its become evident that the people working relentlessly to vaccinate everyone are driven by fear of, not concern for, their neighbor
- DangitBobby 5y ago
  Lots of judgement unsupported by your own facts. > By now, the WHO has given up complaining about booster boosters. Instead its become evident that the people working relentlessly to vaccinate everyone are driven by fear of, not concern for, their neighbor Or both.

tagoregrtst 5y ago

Sorry about your family member, but you really must specify where this occurred. As bad as US health care system is (and it is bad), it is ridiculously over capitalized. Compared with Canada, the US normally has 50% more ICU beds. More Dr. per capita (slightly) and a ridiculous larger number of nurses and secretaries. Therefore, Ontario’s health care system gets overwhelmed during bad flu seasons. In this scenario, Ontario’s recent lockdowns make (material) sense, but that doesnt mean that significant health care resources are being diverted in the US. By over capitalized, I mean the US has insane medical facilities everywhere people live. I live within a 5 minute drive of three major hospitals, and who knowns how many minor medical centers EDIT: Please dont take this to be a judgement on Ontario’s health system. Before COVID both my parents were successfully treated in Ontario for cancer, for which Im grateful. My comment is merely an illustrative example of how differences health care systems do and must affect government response