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Covid Booster Highly Effective Against Omicron

26 points by relbeek2 5y ago

welcome_dragon 5y ago
Anecdotally, the three people in my house have all tested positive for 'rona within two weeks after each of us has been boosted.
- vlovich123 5y ago
  There's a difference between "you won't get infected" and "you won't end up in the hospital". The current state of the vaccine is not effective for the former against Omicron. It still remains highly effective for the latter. As a thank you to medical workers who are still overworked, please get vaccinated to reduce the burden on the hospital system.
  - fithisux 5y ago
    This is not what they said to us the first 2 times here in Greece. And after so much vaccination we are in the worst condition ever. Who knows, maybe with the 4th round we may be lucky.
    - YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
      You know when a program you coded doesn't work anymore or only with degraded performance because of an outside api? That's it you need to patch it. stop talking like it's something unbelievable insidious happening we need updated influeca vaccines every year. ffs
      - Baloo 5y ago
        https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o102 https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o102 Covid-19 vaccines and treatments: we must have raw data, now. The BMJ supports vaccination policies based on sound evidence. As the global vaccine rollout continues, it cannot be justifiable or in the best interests of patients and the public that we are left to just trust “in the system,” with the distant hope that the underlying data may become available for independent scrutiny at some point in the future. The same applies to treatments for covid-19. Transparency is the key to building trust and an important route to answering people’s legitimate questions about the efficacy and safety of vaccines and treatments and the clinical and public health policies established for their use. Pharmaceutical companies are reaping vast profits without adequate independent scrutiny of their scientific claims. The purpose of regulators is not to dance to the tune of rich global corporations and enrich them further; it is to protect the health of their populations. We need complete data transparency for all studies, we need it in the public interest, and we need it now.
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        YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
        Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30015076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30015076
        Baloo 5y ago
        Peoples concerns and hesitancy surrounding the efficacy and safety of pharmaceuticals is not born in a vacuum, it comes from years of profiteering at the expense of patients. If there is a stigma and lack of faith surrounding these companies, it is typically due to historical precedent. There is a reason that drug manufacturers are some of the least trusted companies in the world, time and time again they abused their position and this has to be acknowledged. The more transparency that can be achieved with their products, the better.
      - ls15 5y ago
        > You know when a program you coded doesn't work anymore or only with degraded performance because of an outside api? That's it you need to patch it. stop talking like it's something unbelievable insidious happening we need updated influeca vaccines every year. ffs That's fine, as long as nobody acts like they know how it protects people in the future and tries to force it on people.
        acdha 5y ago
        The vaccines clearly do protect people by a significant degree, and as we’ve seen they’ve also been highly effective against strains which arose after the initial development. That makes it quite reasonable to expect that vaccinated people will fare better against future variants, and even if you’re a complete sociopath who doesn’t care about the human cost, that means society will be better off with fewer disruptions due to illness and less stress on the medical system.
        ls15 5y ago
        That's some other goalpost (with regard to mandating vaccinations). Vitamin D clearly does protect people by a significant degree and it is not mandated. > and even if you’re a complete sociopath who doesn’t care about the human cost Or on the opposite end of the spectrum, a complete sociopath who does not care about overriding people's personal medical decisions and moves the goalpost over and over in order to achieve that goal as we were able to see in popular media during the pandemic.
        acdha 5y ago
        > Vitamin D clearly does protect people by a significant degree and it is not mandated. Mandates are rare and restricted to things which are well-established scientifically, like the efficacy of vaccination.
        ls15 5y ago
        https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11739-021-02902-w https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11739-021-02902-w > In this large observational population study, we show a significant association between vitamin D deficiency and the risks of SARS-CoV-2 infection and of severe disease in those infected. There are many other studies that say the same.
    - _kulang 5y ago
      Well we got unlucky with omicron, after already being unlucky with delta. Disease changed but the vaccines are the same - vaxxed people are probably totally immune to the original strain
tamaharbor 5y ago
Didn’t Einstein say it is insanity to keep doing the same thing over and over again but expect different results?
pcdoodle 5y ago
- microjim 5y ago
  Whatever your take here - care to elaborate?
  - CodeWriter23 5y ago
    The downvotes and flagging the GP is receiving should be interpreted to be Scientific Proof that ZERO Regulatory Capture exists at the CDC, and further, Regulatory Capture is a Right Wing hoax seeded by Russian Intelligence and spread only by White Nationalists.
  - peakaboo 5y ago
    - juanani 5y ago
jamps 5y ago
Data from public health scotland seems to agree. (p.44) https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/11223/22-01-19-covid19-winter_publication_report.pdf https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/11223/22-01-19-covid... But we don't know for how long. And what is strange is that unvaxxed are doing better than double vaxxed. So what will happen once the booster effects wane? Will it be better or worse than unvaxxed?
antiquark 5y ago
Given CDC's history of being wrong, why should we listen this time?
- deleted 5y ago
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- Spivak 5y ago
  On the off chance that this isn’t supposed to be flame-bait. The CDC has been updating their recommendations as new information comes out which isn’t really the same as being wrong unless you have reason to believe they had better information and choose not to act on it. But yeah, if you believe that it’s too early and not enough research on the effectiveness of booster shots vs. new variants then you should fall back to recommendations that have been tested for longer. * Wear masks in areas with poor air circulation or air recirculation. * Keep a 10ft distance from others. * Avoid being around other people when not necessary. * If you show symptoms or come in contact with someone who tests positive quarantine for two weeks. * Get vaccinated and/or boosted if you haven’t already. The CDC has been making fairly optimistic recs for the vaccinated but you can always be more cautious to your comfort level.
  - ls15 5y ago
    > * If you show symptoms or come in contact with someone who tests positive quarantine for two weeks. Wouldn't that apply to boostered people as well, since they catch and spread Omicron at similar rates? But then, how realistic is it to quarantine for two weeks if almost everyone was in contact with someone who tested positive? And for added difficulty: the rapid tests have really high false-negative rates for Omicron. I had 6 negative RTs (two manufacturers) after symptoms before my positive PCR test.
    - smorgusofborg 5y ago
      I know a few people who test negative on PCR tests but have identical symptoms due to a flu. Given the insane rate of omicron I wouldn't assume all these tests were wrong if one of them now tests positive..

26 points by relbeek2 5y ago

Anecdotally, the three people in my house have all tested positive for 'rona within two weeks after each of us has been boosted.

vlovich123 5y ago
There's a difference between "you won't get infected" and "you won't end up in the hospital". The current state of the vaccine is not effective for the former against Omicron. It still remains highly effective for the latter. As a thank you to medical workers who are still overworked, please get vaccinated to reduce the burden on the hospital system.
- fithisux 5y ago
  This is not what they said to us the first 2 times here in Greece. And after so much vaccination we are in the worst condition ever. Who knows, maybe with the 4th round we may be lucky.
  - YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
    You know when a program you coded doesn't work anymore or only with degraded performance because of an outside api? That's it you need to patch it. stop talking like it's something unbelievable insidious happening we need updated influeca vaccines every year. ffs
    - Baloo 5y ago
      https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o102 https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o102 Covid-19 vaccines and treatments: we must have raw data, now. The BMJ supports vaccination policies based on sound evidence. As the global vaccine rollout continues, it cannot be justifiable or in the best interests of patients and the public that we are left to just trust “in the system,” with the distant hope that the underlying data may become available for independent scrutiny at some point in the future. The same applies to treatments for covid-19. Transparency is the key to building trust and an important route to answering people’s legitimate questions about the efficacy and safety of vaccines and treatments and the clinical and public health policies established for their use. Pharmaceutical companies are reaping vast profits without adequate independent scrutiny of their scientific claims. The purpose of regulators is not to dance to the tune of rich global corporations and enrich them further; it is to protect the health of their populations. We need complete data transparency for all studies, we need it in the public interest, and we need it now.
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo 5y ago
        Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30015076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30015076
        Baloo 5y ago
        Peoples concerns and hesitancy surrounding the efficacy and safety of pharmaceuticals is not born in a vacuum, it comes from years of profiteering at the expense of patients. If there is a stigma and lack of faith surrounding these companies, it is typically due to historical precedent. There is a reason that drug manufacturers are some of the least trusted companies in the world, time and time again they abused their position and this has to be acknowledged. The more transparency that can be achieved with their products, the better.
    - ls15 5y ago
      > You know when a program you coded doesn't work anymore or only with degraded performance because of an outside api? That's it you need to patch it. stop talking like it's something unbelievable insidious happening we need updated influeca vaccines every year. ffs That's fine, as long as nobody acts like they know how it protects people in the future and tries to force it on people.
      - acdha 5y ago
        The vaccines clearly do protect people by a significant degree, and as we’ve seen they’ve also been highly effective against strains which arose after the initial development. That makes it quite reasonable to expect that vaccinated people will fare better against future variants, and even if you’re a complete sociopath who doesn’t care about the human cost, that means society will be better off with fewer disruptions due to illness and less stress on the medical system.
        ls15 5y ago
        That's some other goalpost (with regard to mandating vaccinations). Vitamin D clearly does protect people by a significant degree and it is not mandated. > and even if you’re a complete sociopath who doesn’t care about the human cost Or on the opposite end of the spectrum, a complete sociopath who does not care about overriding people's personal medical decisions and moves the goalpost over and over in order to achieve that goal as we were able to see in popular media during the pandemic.
        acdha 5y ago
        > Vitamin D clearly does protect people by a significant degree and it is not mandated. Mandates are rare and restricted to things which are well-established scientifically, like the efficacy of vaccination.
        ls15 5y ago
        https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11739-021-02902-w https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11739-021-02902-w > In this large observational population study, we show a significant association between vitamin D deficiency and the risks of SARS-CoV-2 infection and of severe disease in those infected. There are many other studies that say the same.
  - _kulang 5y ago
    Well we got unlucky with omicron, after already being unlucky with delta. Disease changed but the vaccines are the same - vaxxed people are probably totally immune to the original strain

tamaharbor 5y ago

Didn’t Einstein say it is insanity to keep doing the same thing over and over again but expect different results?

pcdoodle 5y ago

microjim 5y ago
Whatever your take here - care to elaborate?
- CodeWriter23 5y ago
  The downvotes and flagging the GP is receiving should be interpreted to be Scientific Proof that ZERO Regulatory Capture exists at the CDC, and further, Regulatory Capture is a Right Wing hoax seeded by Russian Intelligence and spread only by White Nationalists.
- peakaboo 5y ago
  - juanani 5y ago

jamps 5y ago

Data from public health scotland seems to agree. (p.44) https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/11223/22-01-19-covid19-winter_publication_report.pdf https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/11223/22-01-19-covid... But we don't know for how long. And what is strange is that unvaxxed are doing better than double vaxxed. So what will happen once the booster effects wane? Will it be better or worse than unvaxxed?

antiquark 5y ago

Given CDC's history of being wrong, why should we listen this time?

deleted 5y ago
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Spivak 5y ago
On the off chance that this isn’t supposed to be flame-bait. The CDC has been updating their recommendations as new information comes out which isn’t really the same as being wrong unless you have reason to believe they had better information and choose not to act on it. But yeah, if you believe that it’s too early and not enough research on the effectiveness of booster shots vs. new variants then you should fall back to recommendations that have been tested for longer. * Wear masks in areas with poor air circulation or air recirculation. * Keep a 10ft distance from others. * Avoid being around other people when not necessary. * If you show symptoms or come in contact with someone who tests positive quarantine for two weeks. * Get vaccinated and/or boosted if you haven’t already. The CDC has been making fairly optimistic recs for the vaccinated but you can always be more cautious to your comfort level.
- ls15 5y ago
  > * If you show symptoms or come in contact with someone who tests positive quarantine for two weeks. Wouldn't that apply to boostered people as well, since they catch and spread Omicron at similar rates? But then, how realistic is it to quarantine for two weeks if almost everyone was in contact with someone who tested positive? And for added difficulty: the rapid tests have really high false-negative rates for Omicron. I had 6 negative RTs (two manufacturers) after symptoms before my positive PCR test.
  - smorgusofborg 5y ago
    I know a few people who test negative on PCR tests but have identical symptoms due to a flu. Given the insane rate of omicron I wouldn't assume all these tests were wrong if one of them now tests positive..