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> ...considering the state of things The state of things is that highly vaccinated countries like mine are experiencing the biggest baddest infection and death

> ...considering the state of things The state of things is that highly vaccinated countries like mine are experiencing the biggest baddest infection and death rate yet. This isn't the outcome projected when they were nagging, blackmailing, and propagandizing us every day for 2 years about reaching "80% vaccination". The public did what they were told, and more. We're now above 90% vaccination, but apparently that isn't enough. We need blunt, symbolic tactics now, such as kicking unvaccinated athletes out of the country to "send a message" about vaccination. Desperate measures including mass-behavioral manipulation and psychological tactics dripping in political spin. > a very strong anti-vaccine narrative chomping at the bit You're kidding yourself if you think narratives and "chomping at the bit" is exclusively the domain of the anti-vaxxer, and not exercised by those pushing and enforcing mandates.

cdman 5y ago
Which country? Because in many countries, even though Omicron infections are up at least 10x (can't measure it, don't have the labor capacity for it :)), hospitalizations and deaths are down.
- rex-mundi 5y ago
  Maybe Australia, but that's a guess based on the reference to kicking out a sports star from the country
- exodust 5y ago
  I was responding to someone who accused the parent comment of "feigned confusion". They seemed to be justifying the flagging of the story as an "overreaction but understandable" measure to counter anti-vax narratives. Fighting one form of propaganda with another form, is not a game I'd ever participate in. Why would anyone? Surely we want practical measures that suit the changing conditions of a pandemic, rather than broad immovable "rules are rules" policies. > hospitalizations and deaths are down Depending on how you look at it. End of the day where I live...(Jan 18, 2022): > "Victoria has declared an unprecedented system-wide ‘code brown’ emergency across all its Melbourne hospitals and six in the regions as it buckles under COVID-19 pressures." > "Mr Merlino said hospitalisations in NSW, where the Omicron outbreak is a couple of weeks ahead of Victoria, continue to increase by about 100 people per day." > "The number of people in ICU also decreased, by two to 127, although 43 people are now on ventilation, an increase of five." https://www.aap.com.au/news/victoria-declares-hospital-covid-emergency/ https://www.aap.com.au/news/victoria-declares-hospital-covid... It's not a binary argument. The vaccine prevents serious illness for many people. I thought that was a given by now. Elderly people who weren't vaccinated previously, are now vaccinated. Any drop in hospital admission rates would also be from the less severe Omicron variant; vaccination of elderly and vulnerable; and more people managing their illness from home. At the beginning, many were panicking and rushing to hospital with a headache. They were still reported as covid hospitalisations, even though their hospital admission consisted of basic monitoring then discharged soon after.
  - sharken 5y ago
    Flagging the article is just wrong when there is merit to it. As for the vaccine preventing deaths and hospitalizations, i hope most can agree that is a fact. When that is said, then we have always had the flu which also causes many deaths and hospitalizations. With Omicron the flu and Corona are now equals regarding deaths and hospitalizations. Where i come from that is what you can learn from the data. So when the flu doesn't cause restrictions and is now similar to Corona, then restrictions should be dropped. That is my viewpoint.

cdman 5y ago

Which country? Because in many countries, even though Omicron infections are up at least 10x (can't measure it, don't have the labor capacity for it :)), hospitalizations and deaths are down.

rex-mundi 5y ago
Maybe Australia, but that's a guess based on the reference to kicking out a sports star from the country
exodust 5y ago
I was responding to someone who accused the parent comment of "feigned confusion". They seemed to be justifying the flagging of the story as an "overreaction but understandable" measure to counter anti-vax narratives. Fighting one form of propaganda with another form, is not a game I'd ever participate in. Why would anyone? Surely we want practical measures that suit the changing conditions of a pandemic, rather than broad immovable "rules are rules" policies. > hospitalizations and deaths are down Depending on how you look at it. End of the day where I live...(Jan 18, 2022): > "Victoria has declared an unprecedented system-wide ‘code brown’ emergency across all its Melbourne hospitals and six in the regions as it buckles under COVID-19 pressures." > "Mr Merlino said hospitalisations in NSW, where the Omicron outbreak is a couple of weeks ahead of Victoria, continue to increase by about 100 people per day." > "The number of people in ICU also decreased, by two to 127, although 43 people are now on ventilation, an increase of five." https://www.aap.com.au/news/victoria-declares-hospital-covid-emergency/ https://www.aap.com.au/news/victoria-declares-hospital-covid... It's not a binary argument. The vaccine prevents serious illness for many people. I thought that was a given by now. Elderly people who weren't vaccinated previously, are now vaccinated. Any drop in hospital admission rates would also be from the less severe Omicron variant; vaccination of elderly and vulnerable; and more people managing their illness from home. At the beginning, many were panicking and rushing to hospital with a headache. They were still reported as covid hospitalisations, even though their hospital admission consisted of basic monitoring then discharged soon after.
- sharken 5y ago
  Flagging the article is just wrong when there is merit to it. As for the vaccine preventing deaths and hospitalizations, i hope most can agree that is a fact. When that is said, then we have always had the flu which also causes many deaths and hospitalizations. With Omicron the flu and Corona are now equals regarding deaths and hospitalizations. Where i come from that is what you can learn from the data. So when the flu doesn't cause restrictions and is now similar to Corona, then restrictions should be dropped. That is my viewpoint.