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I’ll match your anecdote with mine. I’ve been everything from CTO to lead engineer. I’ve made sure we always pay well above average for every role because I’d r

by zionic 5y ago

I’ll match your anecdote with mine. I’ve been everything from CTO to lead engineer. I’ve made sure we always pay well above average for every role because I’d rather have one exceptional engineer than 10 regular ones. FAANG on your resume is an instant disqualification.

novok 5y ago
CTO and lead engineer of what size companies? How big was the tree of reports under you? What is the band of your total compensation recently? $100-200k? $500-1000k? Honestly sounds like a bit of cope, especially if you've tried hiring in the past 10 years.
- zionic 5y ago
  I’m not going to dox myself so you’re going to get some fuzz. Largest? 400-1500. Smallest? 30-70. Compensation was highly variable. FAANG employees are liabilities best avoided, everyone in leadership positions knows it.
  - novok 5y ago
    You're not going to dox yourself with compensation bands or something more specific than 400-1500. There are way too many people like that, and comp is not very public info. Are you working in Europe as part of an old tech / non-tech company and the most you've ever made is $300k/yr or are you actually competing on the same level as big tech companies compensation wise where director+ who manages 300-500 makes $+1m/yr? There are highly paid small places that are not FANG that still pay FANG or better, but they have really high standards. I want to know if your one of those, or one of those who as part of an ego protection cope say FANG is bad. Now if you were a startup manager, yeah I can get why you might want to avoid FANG because you don't want people with big company habits in your small company that is trying to go fast, but usually those people say that out right, and they also tend to explicitly hire FANG types to scale their engineering org after a certain scale, because startup style stops working after your engineering org gets to a certain size.
  - tmule 5y ago
    “ FAANG employees are liabilities best avoided, everyone in leadership positions knows it.” I literally know a couple of unicorn founders in my personal life. They don’t think that. You’re full of shit and are probably a shit leader (if you’re not bluffing) if you make categorically false statements with such conviction (much like the former president).
poopypoopington 5y ago
This is a monumentally stupid take. I would never want to work for you if your judgement is this poor and politically reactionary.
summerlight 5y ago
Does your company explicitly state this criteria in the job description?
unmole 5y ago
Can you please name your company? I haven't worked at FAANG but I most definitely would not want to work for a company like yours.
- Godel_unicode 5y ago
  I would like to know this as well. Anyone willing to write off literally millions of engineers because they happened to work at some huge companies is someone worth avoiding.
  - zionic 5y ago
    > literally millions of engineers It’s tens of thousands, tops. And let’s be honest, most of them are highly overrated. > because they happened to work at some huge companies Because they made the choice to work at some incredibly evil corporations. Give them some credit, they didn’t sleepwalk into their roles. They did it for that fat cash, and they sold their morals out to do so. Jokes on them, I have the “fat cash” now and get to choose who I hire. Turns out I’m not a fan of the people who sold out.
    - honkdaddy 5y ago
      So what's the company?
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > Because they made the choice to work at some incredibly evil corporations FAANG are not incredibly evil corporations. They are average evil, and incredibly successful. If you are CTO at another company and you think your company is less evil, it's probably just less successful and you’re blinded to its evil by your vested interest in changing the “less successful” part.
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      Sounds like raises would be a life and death struggle at your company.
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skinnymuch 5y ago
With your remarks of you’re in control now with all the power and such. Like the other commenter said, this sounds like Coping and grand standing.
- zionic 5y ago
  You do you brother, I’m not here to prove myself to you. Just another non existent terminal.
  - skinnymuch 5y ago
    What? I don’t know what you wrote. However all of your attention seeking and grand standing does appear you are seeking something from others and are coping hard to have yourself believe you are not a sell out like every one else. Why you have to frame things so negatively is beyond me. I would not do so myself. in which case it isn’t selling out. It is living life as an average person getting through life
Shikadi 5y ago
If you're going to judge people for working at faang, you better never shop at Walmart or Amazon, never buy any foreign electronics because they're made with child labor, work for a non profit that doesn't shovel money away from those who produce it into the hands of shareholders that control the public policy allowing for atrocities like DuPont, never buy anything with Teflon in it, take the bus instead of owning a car, and boycotting cable and internet companies. We're all in the same exploitative evil system, get off your high horse and stop judging people for being employed. The workers aren't the evil, it's the people who call the shots and make the investments. If Jeff Bezos wants to go to space, he's going to space whether you help or not, so might as well take what you can get.
- zionic 5y ago
  > If you're going to judge people for working at faang, you better never shop at Walmart or Amazon I do my best, but I fully admit I am not perfect in this regard. > allowing for atrocities like DuPont, never buy anything with Teflon in it, I completely agree with you here. The leadership of these corps should have faced serious jail time for C8 contamination. > We're all in the same exploitative evil system, get off your high horse and stop judging people for being employed. I get it, but look at it from my perspective. I have a lot of money. I can hire people based on X or Y. I have the luxury of selecting skilled, amazing people who did not work for the system. Why would I see that as a bad thing?
  - Shikadi 5y ago
    From my perspective, your money came from the same system, and you're acting on blanket baseless prejudice.
    - hnfong 5y ago
      Yep https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28831227 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28831227
hiq 5y ago
> FAANG on your resume is an instant disqualification. Is it only FAANG, or are there others that you blacklisted? E.g. is MS on the list as well? How long is the list? Genuinely curious.
whatever_dude 5y ago
You're doing your company a great disservice if you think no great engineer had ever joined Meta.

by zionic 5y ago

novok 5y ago

CTO and lead engineer of what size companies? How big was the tree of reports under you? What is the band of your total compensation recently? $100-200k? $500-1000k? Honestly sounds like a bit of cope, especially if you've tried hiring in the past 10 years.

zionic 5y ago
I’m not going to dox myself so you’re going to get some fuzz. Largest? 400-1500. Smallest? 30-70. Compensation was highly variable. FAANG employees are liabilities best avoided, everyone in leadership positions knows it.
- novok 5y ago
  You're not going to dox yourself with compensation bands or something more specific than 400-1500. There are way too many people like that, and comp is not very public info. Are you working in Europe as part of an old tech / non-tech company and the most you've ever made is $300k/yr or are you actually competing on the same level as big tech companies compensation wise where director+ who manages 300-500 makes $+1m/yr? There are highly paid small places that are not FANG that still pay FANG or better, but they have really high standards. I want to know if your one of those, or one of those who as part of an ego protection cope say FANG is bad. Now if you were a startup manager, yeah I can get why you might want to avoid FANG because you don't want people with big company habits in your small company that is trying to go fast, but usually those people say that out right, and they also tend to explicitly hire FANG types to scale their engineering org after a certain scale, because startup style stops working after your engineering org gets to a certain size.
- tmule 5y ago
  “ FAANG employees are liabilities best avoided, everyone in leadership positions knows it.” I literally know a couple of unicorn founders in my personal life. They don’t think that. You’re full of shit and are probably a shit leader (if you’re not bluffing) if you make categorically false statements with such conviction (much like the former president).

poopypoopington 5y ago

This is a monumentally stupid take. I would never want to work for you if your judgement is this poor and politically reactionary.

summerlight 5y ago

Does your company explicitly state this criteria in the job description?

unmole 5y ago

Can you please name your company? I haven't worked at FAANG but I most definitely would not want to work for a company like yours.

Godel_unicode 5y ago
I would like to know this as well. Anyone willing to write off literally millions of engineers because they happened to work at some huge companies is someone worth avoiding.
- zionic 5y ago
  > literally millions of engineers It’s tens of thousands, tops. And let’s be honest, most of them are highly overrated. > because they happened to work at some huge companies Because they made the choice to work at some incredibly evil corporations. Give them some credit, they didn’t sleepwalk into their roles. They did it for that fat cash, and they sold their morals out to do so. Jokes on them, I have the “fat cash” now and get to choose who I hire. Turns out I’m not a fan of the people who sold out.
  - honkdaddy 5y ago
    So what's the company?
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Because they made the choice to work at some incredibly evil corporations FAANG are not incredibly evil corporations. They are average evil, and incredibly successful. If you are CTO at another company and you think your company is less evil, it's probably just less successful and you’re blinded to its evil by your vested interest in changing the “less successful” part.
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    Sounds like raises would be a life and death struggle at your company.
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skinnymuch 5y ago

With your remarks of you’re in control now with all the power and such. Like the other commenter said, this sounds like Coping and grand standing.

zionic 5y ago
You do you brother, I’m not here to prove myself to you. Just another non existent terminal.
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  What? I don’t know what you wrote. However all of your attention seeking and grand standing does appear you are seeking something from others and are coping hard to have yourself believe you are not a sell out like every one else. Why you have to frame things so negatively is beyond me. I would not do so myself. in which case it isn’t selling out. It is living life as an average person getting through life

Shikadi 5y ago

If you're going to judge people for working at faang, you better never shop at Walmart or Amazon, never buy any foreign electronics because they're made with child labor, work for a non profit that doesn't shovel money away from those who produce it into the hands of shareholders that control the public policy allowing for atrocities like DuPont, never buy anything with Teflon in it, take the bus instead of owning a car, and boycotting cable and internet companies. We're all in the same exploitative evil system, get off your high horse and stop judging people for being employed. The workers aren't the evil, it's the people who call the shots and make the investments. If Jeff Bezos wants to go to space, he's going to space whether you help or not, so might as well take what you can get.

zionic 5y ago
> If you're going to judge people for working at faang, you better never shop at Walmart or Amazon I do my best, but I fully admit I am not perfect in this regard. > allowing for atrocities like DuPont, never buy anything with Teflon in it, I completely agree with you here. The leadership of these corps should have faced serious jail time for C8 contamination. > We're all in the same exploitative evil system, get off your high horse and stop judging people for being employed. I get it, but look at it from my perspective. I have a lot of money. I can hire people based on X or Y. I have the luxury of selecting skilled, amazing people who did not work for the system. Why would I see that as a bad thing?
- Shikadi 5y ago
  From my perspective, your money came from the same system, and you're acting on blanket baseless prejudice.
  - hnfong 5y ago
    Yep https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28831227 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28831227

hiq 5y ago

> FAANG on your resume is an instant disqualification. Is it only FAANG, or are there others that you blacklisted? E.g. is MS on the list as well? How long is the list? Genuinely curious.

whatever_dude 5y ago

You're doing your company a great disservice if you think no great engineer had ever joined Meta.