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Why is this flagged? Why expressing any vaccine-related concerns has suddenly become a thought crime with an army of volunteers ready to shoot the messenger? H

Why is this flagged? Why expressing any vaccine-related concerns has suddenly become a thought crime with an army of volunteers ready to shoot the messenger? How can we possibly hope to resolve the pandemic in a way that benefits the ordinary people, if any discussion or questioning of the party line is not allowed anymore? Have I suddenly woken up back in the USSR?

stjohnswarts 5y ago
Because it causes unneeded worry until the studies actually show causation rather than weak correlation and there is so much misinformation out there already. The general public seems to have no concept of what statistics actually mean outside of "so all i'm hearing is there's a chance so now I'm going to decide to not get a vaccination because there is a chance even if the chance covid kills me is far higher"
- tasogare 5y ago
  - hindsightbias 5y ago
    You are talking about extreme outliers there. Practically unicorns in the US.
  - wellthatsawrap 5y ago
- john_moscow 5y ago
  >Because it causes unneeded worry until the studies actually show causation rather than weak correlation and there is so much misinformation out there already. You know, the studies can show anything other than the party line only if there is a culture of questioning the party line. Otherwise, the scholars are publishing praises to planned economy and condemning the "rotting West" while the plebs are queueing for bread. That was the fucking state of affairs in the USSR for decades, and the only reason the West didn't sink that low is that it had the culture of questioning the narrative, that so many people today are trying to destroy.
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    I am always skeptical that's why I'm asking for proof before people go off telling people who only absorb rather than filter their information. If I own a business (like hackernews/facebook/reddit) and I see people spreading "what if" information that has a very weak basis I'm well within my rights to shut that down if I know about it. Those free thinkers can go listen to Joe Rogan, C2C, or Infowars if they want fringe opinion/weak correlation
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GenerocUsername 5y ago
Suddenly?
root_axis 5y ago
- slantaclaus 5y ago
  There’s your answer: “because it’s a meme” A good answer
- dang 5y ago
  Please don't cross into personal swipes ("feigned confusion"). We don't want flamewars here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- exodust 5y ago
  > ...considering the state of things The state of things is that highly vaccinated countries like mine are experiencing the biggest baddest infection and death rate yet. This isn't the outcome projected when they were nagging, blackmailing, and propagandizing us every day for 2 years about reaching "80% vaccination". The public did what they were told, and more. We're now above 90% vaccination, but apparently that isn't enough. We need blunt, symbolic tactics now, such as kicking unvaccinated athletes out of the country to "send a message" about vaccination. Desperate measures including mass-behavioral manipulation and psychological tactics dripping in political spin. > a very strong anti-vaccine narrative chomping at the bit You're kidding yourself if you think narratives and "chomping at the bit" is exclusively the domain of the anti-vaxxer, and not exercised by those pushing and enforcing mandates.
  - cdman 5y ago
    Which country? Because in many countries, even though Omicron infections are up at least 10x (can't measure it, don't have the labor capacity for it :)), hospitalizations and deaths are down.
    - rex-mundi 5y ago
      Maybe Australia, but that's a guess based on the reference to kicking out a sports star from the country
jcims 5y ago
Book Burning 2.0. It's smokeless! I think i prefer the mystery of human consciousness, but it would be interesting to snapshot the mind of a person that votes up or down on this story and explore the root system of that action.
peakaboo 5y ago
I'm just happy this is the top comment now. During these last two years, you were treated like a mad conspiracy theorist if you felt the vaccines were dangerous to the human body. Maybe people are understanding now?
tinus_hn 5y ago
Because there are two sides that think they know what’s best and they both use the pretense that ‘science’ has the one true answer. That causes a problem when some research shows their one true answer is wrong. Real science doesn’t have to censor other opinions.

stjohnswarts 5y ago

Because it causes unneeded worry until the studies actually show causation rather than weak correlation and there is so much misinformation out there already. The general public seems to have no concept of what statistics actually mean outside of "so all i'm hearing is there's a chance so now I'm going to decide to not get a vaccination because there is a chance even if the chance covid kills me is far higher"

tasogare 5y ago
- hindsightbias 5y ago
  You are talking about extreme outliers there. Practically unicorns in the US.
- wellthatsawrap 5y ago
john_moscow 5y ago
>Because it causes unneeded worry until the studies actually show causation rather than weak correlation and there is so much misinformation out there already. You know, the studies can show anything other than the party line only if there is a culture of questioning the party line. Otherwise, the scholars are publishing praises to planned economy and condemning the "rotting West" while the plebs are queueing for bread. That was the fucking state of affairs in the USSR for decades, and the only reason the West didn't sink that low is that it had the culture of questioning the narrative, that so many people today are trying to destroy.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  I am always skeptical that's why I'm asking for proof before people go off telling people who only absorb rather than filter their information. If I own a business (like hackernews/facebook/reddit) and I see people spreading "what if" information that has a very weak basis I'm well within my rights to shut that down if I know about it. Those free thinkers can go listen to Joe Rogan, C2C, or Infowars if they want fringe opinion/weak correlation

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GenerocUsername 5y ago

Suddenly?

root_axis 5y ago

slantaclaus 5y ago
There’s your answer: “because it’s a meme” A good answer
dang 5y ago
Please don't cross into personal swipes ("feigned confusion"). We don't want flamewars here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
exodust 5y ago
> ...considering the state of things The state of things is that highly vaccinated countries like mine are experiencing the biggest baddest infection and death rate yet. This isn't the outcome projected when they were nagging, blackmailing, and propagandizing us every day for 2 years about reaching "80% vaccination". The public did what they were told, and more. We're now above 90% vaccination, but apparently that isn't enough. We need blunt, symbolic tactics now, such as kicking unvaccinated athletes out of the country to "send a message" about vaccination. Desperate measures including mass-behavioral manipulation and psychological tactics dripping in political spin. > a very strong anti-vaccine narrative chomping at the bit You're kidding yourself if you think narratives and "chomping at the bit" is exclusively the domain of the anti-vaxxer, and not exercised by those pushing and enforcing mandates.
- cdman 5y ago
  Which country? Because in many countries, even though Omicron infections are up at least 10x (can't measure it, don't have the labor capacity for it :)), hospitalizations and deaths are down.
  - rex-mundi 5y ago
    Maybe Australia, but that's a guess based on the reference to kicking out a sports star from the country

jcims 5y ago

Book Burning 2.0. It's smokeless! I think i prefer the mystery of human consciousness, but it would be interesting to snapshot the mind of a person that votes up or down on this story and explore the root system of that action.

peakaboo 5y ago

I'm just happy this is the top comment now. During these last two years, you were treated like a mad conspiracy theorist if you felt the vaccines were dangerous to the human body. Maybe people are understanding now?

tinus_hn 5y ago

Because there are two sides that think they know what’s best and they both use the pretense that ‘science’ has the one true answer. That causes a problem when some research shows their one true answer is wrong. Real science doesn’t have to censor other opinions.