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OpenShift by Red Hat

65 points by grigy 15y ago

jyap 15y ago
So I need to warch some YouTube deployment videos or sign up to know how this actually works? And costs? Beyond the cute graphics on the home page it gets very confusing regarding what differentiates this from the competition. EDIT: OK, I found more answers here: https://www.redhat.com/openshift/faq https://www.redhat.com/openshift/faq
brndnhy 15y ago
Bizarre.
grigy 15y ago
I wonder what would be the pricing
- ArtemZ 15y ago
  I bet renting dedicated server is still cheaper.
schiptsov 15y ago
So, it is a Heroku clone, but without all its clarity that matters and visual beauty that sells. ^_^ And Power (can't tell how I hate that stupid primitive branding for idiots by idiots) is an attempt to be like AWS - disk-image based hosting. What is really interesting, is that some people have invested money in such projects at this time, and believes that it will be profitable. ^_^
- kokey 15y ago
  I think Red Hat has an advantage here since they're a vendor that is now trusted by major corporations. These corporations have difficulty embracing the cloud because it's managed by someone else and use tools in ways that's far removed from their standards and expectations. It's good to have more competition in this space.
bryanwb 15y ago
I don't understand why they are working on OpenShift/Aeolus Project rather than joining Openstack
- rwmj 15y ago
  Because we are working on OpenStack [1] and the three projects you mentioned in your posting are all completely different things. OpenShift: a PaaS service which runs on EC2 Aeolus: a graphical tool for managing VMs across different clouds (eg. manage and migrate your VMs across EC2 + OpenStack + vCloud) OpenStack: basically an open source version of EC2 (not precisely, but that's roughly the aim). [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Getting_started_with_OpenStack_Nova https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Getting_started_with_OpenStac...
mhd 15y ago
Wow, that's some bad layout. The content section is narrow enough, but at least for me I have to make my browser window pretty wide so that it's all visible (OS X, Safari/Chrome/Firefox).
rickette 15y ago
Why all the hatred towards OpenShift? It's just another PaaS solution and primarily a competitor to VMWare's CloudFoundry. Personally I welcome competition in this area.
jpalomaki 15y ago
Could be quite interesting if it has solid J2EE support (like Elastic Beanstalk but with JBoss instead of Tomcat) with message queues and everything.
- rickette 15y ago
  I like Elastic Beanstalk, especially since it's just EC2 under the hood. You can still tweak for example Tomcat or Linux settings if you really need to (by creating a custom Beanstalk AMI). Concerning message queues and other JEE features. There's nobody preventing you from deploying an EC2 instance with ActiveMQ or another broker :).
ijroth 15y ago
It's true that we're intent on serving enterprise customers, but we realize that many developers working on enterprise apps start out with personal project or small department projects and want as much innovation as they can have as long as we can stand behind it. The issue with many platforms is that the vendor doesn't have the long-term ability to stand behind the APIs and offer support. That's important when you get sick of debugging your own platform and you want to debug your app instead. Power is intended to be a hosted version of the Aeolus capability: configure, update and migrate VMs across different clouds on-prem and off-prem. We do support Java EE, and we're the only ones to do so right now. Check out the new Java development model called CDI which is part of EE 6 and is a radical simplification for Java while still providing access to nice things like transactions. Finally, yes you could stand up your own JBoss on EC2, but then you'd have to patch it, back it up, configure all the systems management and load balancing and networking and keep that all up to date, etc. The lovely thing about whichever PaaS you choose is that we do all of that for you. Issac (from Red Hat)

65 points by grigy 15y ago

jyap 15y ago

So I need to warch some YouTube deployment videos or sign up to know how this actually works? And costs? Beyond the cute graphics on the home page it gets very confusing regarding what differentiates this from the competition. EDIT: OK, I found more answers here: https://www.redhat.com/openshift/faq https://www.redhat.com/openshift/faq

brndnhy 15y ago

Bizarre.

grigy 15y ago

I wonder what would be the pricing

ArtemZ 15y ago
I bet renting dedicated server is still cheaper.

schiptsov 15y ago

So, it is a Heroku clone, but without all its clarity that matters and visual beauty that sells. ^_^ And Power (can't tell how I hate that stupid primitive branding for idiots by idiots) is an attempt to be like AWS - disk-image based hosting. What is really interesting, is that some people have invested money in such projects at this time, and believes that it will be profitable. ^_^

kokey 15y ago
I think Red Hat has an advantage here since they're a vendor that is now trusted by major corporations. These corporations have difficulty embracing the cloud because it's managed by someone else and use tools in ways that's far removed from their standards and expectations. It's good to have more competition in this space.

bryanwb 15y ago

I don't understand why they are working on OpenShift/Aeolus Project rather than joining Openstack

rwmj 15y ago
Because we are working on OpenStack [1] and the three projects you mentioned in your posting are all completely different things. OpenShift: a PaaS service which runs on EC2 Aeolus: a graphical tool for managing VMs across different clouds (eg. manage and migrate your VMs across EC2 + OpenStack + vCloud) OpenStack: basically an open source version of EC2 (not precisely, but that's roughly the aim). [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Getting_started_with_OpenStack_Nova https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Getting_started_with_OpenStac...

mhd 15y ago

Wow, that's some bad layout. The content section is narrow enough, but at least for me I have to make my browser window pretty wide so that it's all visible (OS X, Safari/Chrome/Firefox).

rickette 15y ago

Why all the hatred towards OpenShift? It's just another PaaS solution and primarily a competitor to VMWare's CloudFoundry. Personally I welcome competition in this area.

jpalomaki 15y ago

Could be quite interesting if it has solid J2EE support (like Elastic Beanstalk but with JBoss instead of Tomcat) with message queues and everything.

rickette 15y ago
I like Elastic Beanstalk, especially since it's just EC2 under the hood. You can still tweak for example Tomcat or Linux settings if you really need to (by creating a custom Beanstalk AMI). Concerning message queues and other JEE features. There's nobody preventing you from deploying an EC2 instance with ActiveMQ or another broker :).

ijroth 15y ago

It's true that we're intent on serving enterprise customers, but we realize that many developers working on enterprise apps start out with personal project or small department projects and want as much innovation as they can have as long as we can stand behind it. The issue with many platforms is that the vendor doesn't have the long-term ability to stand behind the APIs and offer support. That's important when you get sick of debugging your own platform and you want to debug your app instead. Power is intended to be a hosted version of the Aeolus capability: configure, update and migrate VMs across different clouds on-prem and off-prem. We do support Java EE, and we're the only ones to do so right now. Check out the new Java development model called CDI which is part of EE 6 and is a radical simplification for Java while still providing access to nice things like transactions. Finally, yes you could stand up your own JBoss on EC2, but then you'd have to patch it, back it up, configure all the systems management and load balancing and networking and keep that all up to date, etc. The lovely thing about whichever PaaS you choose is that we do all of that for you. Issac (from Red Hat)