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I remember commenting when Mudge was hired that Twitter/Jack needed someone of that profile to offset his massive organizational weight as a founder, where Zatk
by motohagiography 5y ago
I remember commenting when Mudge was hired that Twitter/Jack needed someone of that profile to offset his massive organizational weight as a founder, where Zatko would have the technical and community cred to make decisions for the entire org without, a) other people going around him and trying to get Jack's attention, and b) to demonstrate there is no doubt about the competence of the security team of the platform to satisfy some regulatory risk. I also thought it sounded like a bit of an overpowered choice for the role, unless it was not intended to be long term, and mostly as a tactical near term solution. That may have forshadowed this development a bit as well.
Into the territory of startup fanfic, I'd assert from Agrawal's perspective, he needs his own team, and a top technologist indexed on engineering competence is overpowered as an individual at that level - and for the agility the CEO will need for the next stage of his company. He needs his own people to execute for him. The company is no longer a startup, and its explosive growth phase is behind it. Now it's an asset to be managed, and doing that is an orthogonal set of skills to building and managing growth, so you need people who operate aligned to a longer horizon. The previous CEO's tactical super-hire isn't necessarily going to be the same asset for a new CEO's strategy.
It's odd to comment on this like its sports writing, but that's effectively what following these companies is. Knowing very little about the individuals, I don't need to mind read, as there are clear external incentives for this that make it a fairly neutral change.
When you inherit a powerful asset like that, as CEO that can be double edged. It's great to have someone that amazing around, but if they can undermine the momentum in your leadership even (especially?) unintentionally, while you're driving a massive organizational change, the choice really makes itself independent of the individual characteristics of the people involved.
Ceasing to work at twitter is probably the least interesting thing Zatko has ever done, so I don't forsee this reflecting on him at all, but before there are drill downs on personalities and culture stuff, it's worth looking at it from straight business incentives.
- tptacek 5y agoThe CSO role has basically nothing to do with the stuff that made Zatko famous; it's mostly boring organizational management stuff, with a sprinkling of being real good in meetings. It's not surprising to me that a new CEO who had just shaken up the whole engineering team would also clear the decks on security as well. For instance: this kind of thing happens when a company decides it wants security more closely integrated with engineering --- or the opposite. I have no insight into what's happening at Twitter but if you made me bet, I'd bet against there being any interesting drama here.
- DwnVoteHoneyPot 5y agoI'd bet there is a lot of drama going on. It's not a company that "decides it wants security more closely integrated with engineering --- or the opposite", it's one person who wants that, and he's bring his buddies along now that he's in power. It's not some logical process. At that level all they have is their personalities and egos.
- tptacek 5y agoThe new CEO also fired the head of engineering, and other senior leadership. You can call it ego or whatever, I'm just saying, there probably isn't a super interesting story of why Zatko had to go. "We're scrapping top management and we want the new team to have the freedom to organize the security org they way they want to" seems like the most plausible explanation. And, again: high-level organizational management seems like a weird place to slot Zatko, who seems like he'd be happiest as like, a senior fellow at CSIS or something.
- nefitty 5y agoGreat breakdown. I think your view, whether it is exclusively a load-shedding/"I'm the man now", is definitely an incentive for this to go down. Regarding your reflection on the way you communicated your ideas on this: I found Stratechery extremely insightful and funbexause they approach tech and business from this sort of wonky fan-in-the-stands viewpoint. Over the years it helped me wrap my head around a lot of the weird quirks of business.