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Your comment should be higher. I had no idea NIH was doing a 15k patient study before reading your comment! If I had, I would have mentioned it explicitly whe
by loxias 5y ago
Your comment should be higher.
I had no idea NIH was doing a 15k patient study before reading your comment! If I had, I would have mentioned it explicitly when writing my above comment, and never lumped it in with bleach drinkers and flat earthers.
I was wrong! thanks for the info!
My (previous!) perception that it's bunk science was rooted in the story of its origin.
https://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/ivermectin-misinformation/ https://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/ivermectin-misinforma...
After reading that, I dug into the sources they cite. Then the sources they cited. The whole thing STINKS! (which I know is not an objective scientific measure) -- and the more familiar you are with academia, the more the narrative of "this stinks like something bad" rings true. You've got plagiarism, a non-peer reviewed preprint with OBVIOUS data fraud being cited and used as a large source in a meta-study, now-retracted papers, and _political motivations of the scientists_... they all reinforce the narrative of "this is BS".
Check out the paper https://doi.org/10.21203/rs.3.rs-1003006/v1 https://doi.org/10.21203/rs.3.rs-1003006/v1 "Ivermectin for COVID-19: addressing potential bias and medical fraud"
Money quote: "These observations demonstrate that the significant effect of ivermectin on
survival was dependent on the inclusion of studies with a high risk of bias or potential medical fraud."
ALL THAT BEING SAID, it's undoubtedly true (to me, anyway) that the NIH doesn't do a 15k person study unless there's some scientific merit! So there's gotta be something worth investigating, the process is working, and, today I learned, thanks to you, that it's "not as stupid as bleach".
It just rose to prominence in a quite sketchy way.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoThanks! It's always nice to hear that some information was taken to Heart. As with many scientific topics, the early data was all over the board. There were dozens of studies ranging form fraudulent garbage to honest and very promising. This provided lots of fuel for people and the media to polarize on the topic.