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Just "having friends who holiday" is, alone, a separating factor, mate.

• andybak 5y ago
  Only if you interpret me as in somehow trying to deny the existence of people poorer than me, which is not at all what I'm saying. This has all gone a bit off track. To bring this back to the original context: > Doing that sort of travel is, for most citizens of the industrialized west, pretty unusual. "Pretty unusual" is what I'm disputing. I'd say it's far from "pretty unusual" for average, regular people to go on holiday outside Europe.
  • ncmncm 5y ago
    Going on holiday and swimming in the ocean is one thing. Swimming in remote freshwater ponds is wholly another.
    • andybak 5y ago
      I can think of at least two holidays where I swam in freshwater.
      • ncmncm 5y ago
        I do not doubt that. Meanwhile, I didn't. At issue is how common your experience is. We know it is not universal, p=1. We know it is not nil, p=0. So, is it close to 0.5? 0.1? 0.01? My guess is it is between 0.1 and 0.01. "Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government!"
        • andybak 5y ago
          I'll grant the freshwater bit pushes the probability down a fair bit. But the comment that I was responding to was "Doing that sort of travel is, for most citizens of the industrialized west, pretty unusual." which seems to be more about "outside of Europe" than it was "and swimming in freshwater. That was the part I found strange. I think there's a couple of countries with much lower than average travel (the US already mentioned and I seem to recall that the French tend to stay within their own borders more than the average)