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Very well for Oregon. But it's a little more nuanced than pay for two reasons. 1) Intel is a little like proto-Amazon. There is a preference for hiring people

Very well for Oregon. But it's a little more nuanced than pay for two reasons. 1) Intel is a little like proto-Amazon. There is a preference for hiring people directly out of grad school and inducting them into the cult while they are still naive, so that's just what they come to expect for work-life balance. 2) The whole semiconductor industry is like this, and particularly so for production fabs. If you have domain expertise, you have no alternative work-life balance choice short of a career change.

nurspouse 5y ago
> There is a preference for hiring people directly out of grad school and inducting them into the cult while they are still naive, so that's just what they come to expect for work-life balance. Heh. I once interviewed for an internal SW position that dealt with fab automation. I openly told them in the interview that I knew about their work culture and that was of great concern to me. Interviewer: I know what you mean, and I promise the org has been working to improve the conditions. It's not as bad as it was. Me: Great! However, for me the comparison isn't the "old you" but the rest of Intel. <Back and forth> Interviewer: Look, you're not going to get a 40 hour/week job anywhere in the SW industry! Me: Umm... All my SW engineer roles at Intel were 40 hour/week jobs. I haven't worked on weekends in years. <Proceed to list friends at big name SW companies who also don't work more than 40 hours/week> Interviewer: OK. We normally interview people straight out of college who don't know any better. Needless to say, I didn't take that job.
- selimthegrim 5y ago
  When I was a green badge SWE at Intel all my (blue badge) coworkers were 15-20 years older than me. No one my age stuck around.
  - nurspouse 5y ago
    I assume that's because of pay. Working conditions for SW folks is fairly decent at most of the company, except possibly for firmware folks. I suppose some people didn't like their status in a HW company.
    - selimthegrim 5y ago
      I was in Validation.

nurspouse 5y ago

> There is a preference for hiring people directly out of grad school and inducting them into the cult while they are still naive, so that's just what they come to expect for work-life balance. Heh. I once interviewed for an internal SW position that dealt with fab automation. I openly told them in the interview that I knew about their work culture and that was of great concern to me. Interviewer: I know what you mean, and I promise the org has been working to improve the conditions. It's not as bad as it was. Me: Great! However, for me the comparison isn't the "old you" but the rest of Intel. <Back and forth> Interviewer: Look, you're not going to get a 40 hour/week job anywhere in the SW industry! Me: Umm... All my SW engineer roles at Intel were 40 hour/week jobs. I haven't worked on weekends in years. <Proceed to list friends at big name SW companies who also don't work more than 40 hours/week> Interviewer: OK. We normally interview people straight out of college who don't know any better. Needless to say, I didn't take that job.

selimthegrim 5y ago
When I was a green badge SWE at Intel all my (blue badge) coworkers were 15-20 years older than me. No one my age stuck around.
- nurspouse 5y ago
  I assume that's because of pay. Working conditions for SW folks is fairly decent at most of the company, except possibly for firmware folks. I suppose some people didn't like their status in a HW company.
  - selimthegrim 5y ago
    I was in Validation.