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Just a couple months ago I had a couple of forms rejected with a note “needs wet signature” They were for a 401(k) plan I was updating RMD choices. I got the P
by function_seven 5y ago
Just a couple months ago I had a couple of forms rejected with a note “needs wet signature”
They were for a 401(k) plan I was updating RMD choices. I got the PDF form from their site, filled it out in Preview, pasted my signature PNG, and used an app on my phone to fax it(!) to their number.
Got rejected. Had to actually print the damn things and sign them with a pen, scan them again with my phone’s camera, and re-fax them.
Was mildly infuriating.
- jaycroft 5y agoAs an HR administrator for a small business, this absolutely grinds my gears. According to every accountant and consultant I've ever talked to, the "wet signature" rule is enshrined in federal law (although I have yet to be able to find out exactly where). It applies to all brokerage operations (opening your custodial accounts); employee applications (even internal to your own company that never leave your own filing cabinet - keep in case of audit!); statements of information (form 5500) filed with the IRS (it's the only form you can't submit electronically - needs a wet signature?!). For everything else we deal with a saved drop-in signature in Acrobat works just fine. Almost not worth the employee's savings given their low participation rate and general ambivalence to the whole program.
- mNovak 5y agoNot sure if it's new, but I just recently filed a 5500 online. You can do it here: https://www.efast.dol.gov/welcome.html https://www.efast.dol.gov/welcome.html But yes, dealing with brokerage forms that needed a wet signature faxed..
- jaycroft 5y agoMy mistake on the 5500 - we have a consultant / tax preparer that files the actual form for us, so it does look like the actual filing is electronic. What I was incorrectly remembering, it turns out, was that the authorization form for our consultant to electronically file needed a wet signature.
- tombert 5y agoDo you think it might have worked if you had run it through this FalsiScan program?
- function_seven 5y agoYes, I bet it would have, and I wish I had heard about it then! When I refaxed the forms, I just removed the PNG signatures from the PDFs first (leaving all other form fields typed in), printed them, signed them, made sure the two signatures were different in obvious ways (but still the "same"!), and scanned them at deliberately low resolution. This program sounds like it automates all those steps.
- trimbo 5y agoVanguard? They're ridiculous with this. It's a huge pain with trusts.
- function_seven 5y agoSavingsPlus. They handle California's retirement programs.
- momirlan 5y agoHow wet ? You could add a "splash" effect on top of the signature
- djmips 5y agoMaybe a coffee cup ring?
- newhotelowner 5y agoI printed, signed, scanned, and emailed Ameritrade. My scan was so good that it got rejected. They told me that digital signature is not accepted.
- Cerium 5y agoThis has happened to me in the past. Now I always make sure to damage the paper and avoid putting it in the scanner straight. Bend a corner, wrinkle it a little, and select the image mode on the scanner to avoid the background looking too clean.