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1. no its not, no security fixes or new features are being developed, its entirely on life support: the changes are to just keep it limping along while distros

by jatone 5y ago

1. no its not, no security fixes or new features are being developed, its entirely on life support: the changes are to just keep it limping along while distros finish transitions to wayland. https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2022-January/060861.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2022-January/060... 2. the article is about them abusing a gnome only API when alternatives existed that would have worked better. WLR had its first commits for its desktop portal api in 2018, gnome has had some form of the desktop portal api for 8 years now. if you're going to use a DE only API at least use the right fucking one.

AshamedCaptain 5y ago
1. Even if what you were saying was true (which it is not, even your own link is just showing that bugs and regressions are still being fixed), the distros who are shipping have commited to decades of security updates. 2. "The right fucking" Gnome-exclusive API is, obviously, Gnome-exclusive, and just didn't work for me for the reasons I mentioned in my original message, and probably didn't for them either (my guess because they have a custom H264 encoder for latency/licensing reasons). The "less-Gnome-specific" XDG portal API, Pipewire-based, wasn't really usable when the distro is not even packaging Pipewire. My go-to conferencing solution is still Jitsi Meet and I am well aware of how crazy the entire situation is, even for browsers.
- jatone 5y ago
  the last release was afaik I know just to get the majority of patches contributed out that had stagnated and to finally split xwayland out of the xserver release. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XWayland-21.1-Released https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XWayland... https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XWayland-21.1-RC https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XWayland... its dead, the maintainers have said its dead, all major distros have either moved or will be moving in the coming year. x11 as an api will limp along due to xwayland but that's about it. no amount of assertions will change that unless individuals/organizations step up to actual maintain it. as for rest of your statement ./shrug I've already been very clear on the fact they were already using a gnome only api incorrectly. the generic desktop portal api not being strictly ready in 2020 due to pipewire doesn't change the fact they had a perfectly reasonable api to use inside gnome and they decided not to and were burned.
badsectoracula 5y ago
> no its not Yes it is, the mail you linked at was about a new standalone X server (ie. not XWayland) release by its new maintainer. > no security fixes The very previous version released just last month[0] has security fixes. > or new features are being developed Two versions before that[1] added a bunch of new features. [0] https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg/2021-December/060842.html https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg/2021-December/060842.html [1] https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg/2021-October/060799.html https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg/2021-October/060799.html

by jatone 5y ago

AshamedCaptain 5y ago

1. Even if what you were saying was true (which it is not, even your own link is just showing that bugs and regressions are still being fixed), the distros who are shipping have commited to decades of security updates. 2. "The right fucking" Gnome-exclusive API is, obviously, Gnome-exclusive, and just didn't work for me for the reasons I mentioned in my original message, and probably didn't for them either (my guess because they have a custom H264 encoder for latency/licensing reasons). The "less-Gnome-specific" XDG portal API, Pipewire-based, wasn't really usable when the distro is not even packaging Pipewire. My go-to conferencing solution is still Jitsi Meet and I am well aware of how crazy the entire situation is, even for browsers.

jatone 5y ago
the last release was afaik I know just to get the majority of patches contributed out that had stagnated and to finally split xwayland out of the xserver release. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XWayland-21.1-Released https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XWayland... https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XWayland-21.1-RC https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XWayland... its dead, the maintainers have said its dead, all major distros have either moved or will be moving in the coming year. x11 as an api will limp along due to xwayland but that's about it. no amount of assertions will change that unless individuals/organizations step up to actual maintain it. as for rest of your statement ./shrug I've already been very clear on the fact they were already using a gnome only api incorrectly. the generic desktop portal api not being strictly ready in 2020 due to pipewire doesn't change the fact they had a perfectly reasonable api to use inside gnome and they decided not to and were burned.

badsectoracula 5y ago

> no its not Yes it is, the mail you linked at was about a new standalone X server (ie. not XWayland) release by its new maintainer. > no security fixes The very previous version released just last month[0] has security fixes. > or new features are being developed Two versions before that[1] added a bunch of new features. [0] https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg/2021-December/060842.html https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg/2021-December/060842.html [1] https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg/2021-October/060799.html https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg/2021-October/060799.html