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I find it hilarious how Americans think restaurant/bar staff is almost exclusively entitled to getting more money than what they signed up for, courtesy of the

I find it hilarious how Americans think restaurant/bar staff is almost exclusively entitled to getting more money than what they signed up for, courtesy of the customer. Do you give other minimal wage workers tips? Cashiers, cleaners, random shop staff? If not then shut up.

burkaman 5y ago
Restaurant staff make significantly less than minimum wage.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  Not in CA/OR/WA/NYC/DC. Also, the federal minimum wage is not lower than anyone else’s, assuming they want to report their employer for not following the law.
  - kritiko 5y ago
    The United States of America federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees who receive at least $30 per month in tips.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      State and local laws overrule federal laws if the federal law has a lower minimum.
      - AdrianB1 5y ago
        Technically it is not overruling, it is complementing. No local law can overrule a federal or state law, ever.
        lotsofpulp 5y ago
        Thanks, that is a better characterization.
    - 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
      And if the tips plus tipped minimum wage doesn’t reach normal minimum wage, the employer is required to top it up to at least the untipped minimum wage. I believe that’s what parent comment was referring to. As well as the fact that many states, representing a massive chunk of the US population, don’t have a separate special tipped minimum wage.
- natpalmer1776 5y ago
  No, they don't. If their tips don't put them over minimum wage their employer is required to make up the difference. They usually make well over minimum wage factoring in "tax free" cash tips.
  - ianleeclark 5y ago
    > If their tips don't put them over minimum wage their employer is required to make up the difference. You'll get your hours cut if you try this.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      This might have been the case in 2019, but it certainly isn't in today's labor shortage.
    - aesh2Xa1 5y ago
      It’s not something “you” try as the employee. It’s something “you” try as the customer. The business not having workers during business hours will not equate to any more profits for the business. It’ll just equate to fewer business transactions. They still have to pay the minimum wage to the staff working during those hours.
kritiko 5y ago
Cashiers - yes at a coffee shop. The local brewery uses the same Square / Clover POS system for cans to go and sometimes I'll tip a few bucks (though I'm unsure here). Cleaners - if you mean a house cleaner, if booked through an app, then I think there's normally a tip option. There's tons of people who you're supposed to tip at Christmas in the city - building staff, daycare workers, cleaners, your mailman, etc etc. Restaurants that have tried to go tip free, even the highest end ones, like Eleven Madison Park and Danny Meyer's Union Square Cafe, have rolled it back as customers see the prices as being "too high." Tipping is basically an optical illusion. If you don't tip, you are ruining it for everybody else.

burkaman 5y ago

Restaurant staff make significantly less than minimum wage.

lotsofpulp 5y ago
Not in CA/OR/WA/NYC/DC. Also, the federal minimum wage is not lower than anyone else’s, assuming they want to report their employer for not following the law.
- kritiko 5y ago
  The United States of America federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees who receive at least $30 per month in tips.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    State and local laws overrule federal laws if the federal law has a lower minimum.
    - AdrianB1 5y ago
      Technically it is not overruling, it is complementing. No local law can overrule a federal or state law, ever.
      - lotsofpulp 5y ago
        Thanks, that is a better characterization.
  - 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
    And if the tips plus tipped minimum wage doesn’t reach normal minimum wage, the employer is required to top it up to at least the untipped minimum wage. I believe that’s what parent comment was referring to. As well as the fact that many states, representing a massive chunk of the US population, don’t have a separate special tipped minimum wage.
natpalmer1776 5y ago
No, they don't. If their tips don't put them over minimum wage their employer is required to make up the difference. They usually make well over minimum wage factoring in "tax free" cash tips.
- ianleeclark 5y ago
  > If their tips don't put them over minimum wage their employer is required to make up the difference. You'll get your hours cut if you try this.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    This might have been the case in 2019, but it certainly isn't in today's labor shortage.
  - aesh2Xa1 5y ago
    It’s not something “you” try as the employee. It’s something “you” try as the customer. The business not having workers during business hours will not equate to any more profits for the business. It’ll just equate to fewer business transactions. They still have to pay the minimum wage to the staff working during those hours.

kritiko 5y ago

Cashiers - yes at a coffee shop. The local brewery uses the same Square / Clover POS system for cans to go and sometimes I'll tip a few bucks (though I'm unsure here). Cleaners - if you mean a house cleaner, if booked through an app, then I think there's normally a tip option. There's tons of people who you're supposed to tip at Christmas in the city - building staff, daycare workers, cleaners, your mailman, etc etc. Restaurants that have tried to go tip free, even the highest end ones, like Eleven Madison Park and Danny Meyer's Union Square Cafe, have rolled it back as customers see the prices as being "too high." Tipping is basically an optical illusion. If you don't tip, you are ruining it for everybody else.