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Expected i guess I don't know how it is in the US, electricity prices have skyrocketed in europe

xibalba 5y ago
My most recent monthly bill was $̶0̶.̶0̶4̶6̶/̶k̶W̶h̶ $0.092/kWh Edited to show fully burdened rate, inclusive of delivery charges and other fees and taxes.
- shiftpgdn 5y ago
  Are you in Washington or somewhere with a lot of hydro? Is that an all inclusive rate with delivery and line fees included?
  - xibalba 5y ago
    Yeesh, no! I've edited to show the rate inclusive of delivery charges, taxes, and fees.
herdyherd 5y ago
The Green Deal has been dealt – with much more to come. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Green_Deal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Green_Deal
- masta 5y ago
  It does not have anything to do with the European Green Deal, and you probably even know that. Putin is putting pressure on Europe, because his only lifeline for money is going to run dry if we require less fossil fuels in the future.
  - herdyherd 5y ago
    Silly me! Yes it's the boogeyman's fault, of course. OF COURSE the ideological movement to reduce EU's available sources of energy, plus make the existing ones more expensive, has nothing to do with the rising energy prices. And OF COURSE second order effects that ripple through our civilization, so dependent on cheap energy, have nothing to do with it either. /s It's all Putin.
    - masta 5y ago
      Look up how the energy market works, thats one of the main culprits here, because it has been designed to shovel money towards large fossil baseload powerplants. Which are owned by large corporations with lobby groups just as big as your friends in the internet troll hut.
t3rabytes 5y ago
Most US rates are typically fixed with yearly rate regulation cycles -- my rate in North Carolina ($0.11/kWh iirc) was determined at the beginning of last year by the state energy regulatory agency (the power company fills out this extensive application saying "this is what we want to charge and why" and typically it's like a 50-100% increase, and the state says "hell no")
jillesvangurp 5y ago
Part of the reason is taxes and carbon taxes. Another part is that growing demand requires investments in new capacity by energy suppliers. And of course European energy suppliers are investing a lot into that. And of course doubly so in Germany which is getting rid of nuclear this year and coal in the next eight years. And another part is that gas prices have risen sharply recently. So, those nice gas plants that were built to replace expensive to operate nuclear plants are now about as unattractive as coal plants are relative to renewables in terms of cost. Of course Hetzner can choose to invest in generating their own energy. Those roofs over their data centers would be a perfect spot for solar. And in related news, that's exactly what they are doing: https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/hetzner-online-hopes-to-build-data-center-solar-farm-in-gunzenhausen-germany/ https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/hetzner-online-ho... Makes sense, it's what the big cloud providers are also doing. Consuming large amounts of electricity from the grid is not a great business plan when there are cheaper alternatives. And of course they get to advertise how green they are. IMHO skyrocketing or unstable grid prices are a good thing in the sense that it makes people more likely to spend money on solutions like this.

My most recent monthly bill was $̶0̶.̶0̶4̶6̶/̶k̶W̶h̶ $0.092/kWh Edited to show fully burdened rate, inclusive of delivery charges and other fees and taxes.

shiftpgdn 5y ago
Are you in Washington or somewhere with a lot of hydro? Is that an all inclusive rate with delivery and line fees included?
- xibalba 5y ago
  Yeesh, no! I've edited to show the rate inclusive of delivery charges, taxes, and fees.

herdyherd 5y ago

The Green Deal has been dealt – with much more to come. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Green_Deal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Green_Deal

masta 5y ago
It does not have anything to do with the European Green Deal, and you probably even know that. Putin is putting pressure on Europe, because his only lifeline for money is going to run dry if we require less fossil fuels in the future.
- herdyherd 5y ago
  Silly me! Yes it's the boogeyman's fault, of course. OF COURSE the ideological movement to reduce EU's available sources of energy, plus make the existing ones more expensive, has nothing to do with the rising energy prices. And OF COURSE second order effects that ripple through our civilization, so dependent on cheap energy, have nothing to do with it either. /s It's all Putin.
  - masta 5y ago
    Look up how the energy market works, thats one of the main culprits here, because it has been designed to shovel money towards large fossil baseload powerplants. Which are owned by large corporations with lobby groups just as big as your friends in the internet troll hut.

t3rabytes 5y ago

Most US rates are typically fixed with yearly rate regulation cycles -- my rate in North Carolina ($0.11/kWh iirc) was determined at the beginning of last year by the state energy regulatory agency (the power company fills out this extensive application saying "this is what we want to charge and why" and typically it's like a 50-100% increase, and the state says "hell no")

jillesvangurp 5y ago

Part of the reason is taxes and carbon taxes. Another part is that growing demand requires investments in new capacity by energy suppliers. And of course European energy suppliers are investing a lot into that. And of course doubly so in Germany which is getting rid of nuclear this year and coal in the next eight years. And another part is that gas prices have risen sharply recently. So, those nice gas plants that were built to replace expensive to operate nuclear plants are now about as unattractive as coal plants are relative to renewables in terms of cost. Of course Hetzner can choose to invest in generating their own energy. Those roofs over their data centers would be a perfect spot for solar. And in related news, that's exactly what they are doing: https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/hetzner-online-hopes-to-build-data-center-solar-farm-in-gunzenhausen-germany/ https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/hetzner-online-ho... Makes sense, it's what the big cloud providers are also doing. Consuming large amounts of electricity from the grid is not a great business plan when there are cheaper alternatives. And of course they get to advertise how green they are. IMHO skyrocketing or unstable grid prices are a good thing in the sense that it makes people more likely to spend money on solutions like this.