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I actually suspect that the internet was designed to spy on the citizenry better, but was sold as a mega-connectivity technology. Its an indispensable part of

I actually suspect that the internet was designed to spy on the citizenry better, but was sold as a mega-connectivity technology. Its an indispensable part of the tech required for technocracy, but now it has done its job and there is a tracking device is every hand, its time to rein it back a few notches. (Reining back has been underway for a while to be fair..)

confiq 5y ago
The internet was not design to spy on citizens, it was design to connect citizenry!
- verisimi 5y ago
  We don't know that though, do we? We can say it wasn't sold as a spy system. But we also say that technocracy would require all devices to be connected. Languages such as java were designed with that in mind. So, perhaps playing up the social connectivity is the means to gain ubiquitous adoption. If you think reality is just 'naturally unfolding' you will object to this. But if you think reality is somewhat directed, that our future is sketched out (even if we are unaware of the plans), I think what I say is plausible. Obviously I don't think reality is simply unfolding. I note that many single social events that has occurred in recent years has resulted in incremental steps towards a technocratic surveillance system. Eg, constraints to travel with 911, perpeutual surveillance, advances towards a biomedical-banking-id. We move incrementally towards a dystopia none of us would ever agree to - but it happens so slowly, it seems to be beyond perception. As someone else mentioned - the directions are blamed on the 4 horsemen of the infocalypse - terrorists, pedos, etc but if you look it is the individual's freedoms that are lost.
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > We don't know that though, do we? We can reasonably conclude the internet was not created to spy on citizens, it was created for military connectivity. One could suggest the World Wide Web was created for espionage, but that again requires several leaps with respect to its early creators, most of whom have shown a lifelong dedication to a vision of human freedom that far exceeds the population’s central tendency. Was the rollout of the WWW and internet to the masses motivated, in part, by domestic surveillance desires? Sure. Almost no question about it. But was that a guiding aim? No, at least not in America, not until the project was well underway.
    - verisimi 5y ago
      That the military created it, assures you that it was _not_ about control of the populace. Ok.
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    - Jon_Lowtek 5y ago
      The US military involvement in the creation of the internet is a bit of a myth. It is true that the military had a big interest in a decentral "nuke resiliant" digital communication network and as such became an early adopter and big spending investor, but it was invented, build and distributed by universities to networking the local networks of universities together. Wiring two computers together to exchange data is quite obvious and doing so over long distance calls was the next logical step. There were many early adopters in the industry as well, telecommunication and electronics being the obvious ones. Military interest and financing influenced many small parts, and at the big picture it played a big role, i am not denying that, but the military did not invent or build it, and it wasn't created solely or even mostly for them either. It's a myth, a simple explanations for a complex process, a story that sounds nice, but is as wrong as it is right. The internet isn't even one thing, that is a rather grand abstraction, like "the forests" - which forests? All of them.
      - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
        > US military involvement in the creation of the internet is a bit of a myth It was relatively front and centre. SAGE was the Air Force’s networked radar system in the 1950s [1]. Its vulnerability directly lead to the work at RAND, in the U.S., on packet switching in the 1960s. Academia then took the mantle, but never far from the military’s aegis. (The UK took a parallel path through the NPL that wasn’t as martial, but still quite so.) [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-Automatic_Ground_Environment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-Automatic_Ground_Enviro...
        Jon_Lowtek 5y ago
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  > The internet was not design to spy on citizens, it was design to connect citizenry! Opponents are sending spies, we are gathering intelligence. They are terrorists, but we are freedom fighters. Mafia doesn't do racketeering, they offer protection, etc.
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
The most ardent KBG agents are rolling in their graves - the 'free west' has a tracker on every citizen, and they even paid for the privilidge! Trully capitalism delivers results!

confiq 5y ago

The internet was not design to spy on citizens, it was design to connect citizenry!

verisimi 5y ago
We don't know that though, do we? We can say it wasn't sold as a spy system. But we also say that technocracy would require all devices to be connected. Languages such as java were designed with that in mind. So, perhaps playing up the social connectivity is the means to gain ubiquitous adoption. If you think reality is just 'naturally unfolding' you will object to this. But if you think reality is somewhat directed, that our future is sketched out (even if we are unaware of the plans), I think what I say is plausible. Obviously I don't think reality is simply unfolding. I note that many single social events that has occurred in recent years has resulted in incremental steps towards a technocratic surveillance system. Eg, constraints to travel with 911, perpeutual surveillance, advances towards a biomedical-banking-id. We move incrementally towards a dystopia none of us would ever agree to - but it happens so slowly, it seems to be beyond perception. As someone else mentioned - the directions are blamed on the 4 horsemen of the infocalypse - terrorists, pedos, etc but if you look it is the individual's freedoms that are lost.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > We don't know that though, do we? We can reasonably conclude the internet was not created to spy on citizens, it was created for military connectivity. One could suggest the World Wide Web was created for espionage, but that again requires several leaps with respect to its early creators, most of whom have shown a lifelong dedication to a vision of human freedom that far exceeds the population’s central tendency. Was the rollout of the WWW and internet to the masses motivated, in part, by domestic surveillance desires? Sure. Almost no question about it. But was that a guiding aim? No, at least not in America, not until the project was well underway.
  - verisimi 5y ago
    That the military created it, assures you that it was _not_ about control of the populace. Ok.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - Jon_Lowtek 5y ago
    The US military involvement in the creation of the internet is a bit of a myth. It is true that the military had a big interest in a decentral "nuke resiliant" digital communication network and as such became an early adopter and big spending investor, but it was invented, build and distributed by universities to networking the local networks of universities together. Wiring two computers together to exchange data is quite obvious and doing so over long distance calls was the next logical step. There were many early adopters in the industry as well, telecommunication and electronics being the obvious ones. Military interest and financing influenced many small parts, and at the big picture it played a big role, i am not denying that, but the military did not invent or build it, and it wasn't created solely or even mostly for them either. It's a myth, a simple explanations for a complex process, a story that sounds nice, but is as wrong as it is right. The internet isn't even one thing, that is a rather grand abstraction, like "the forests" - which forests? All of them.
    - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
      > US military involvement in the creation of the internet is a bit of a myth It was relatively front and centre. SAGE was the Air Force’s networked radar system in the 1950s [1]. Its vulnerability directly lead to the work at RAND, in the U.S., on packet switching in the 1960s. Academia then took the mantle, but never far from the military’s aegis. (The UK took a parallel path through the NPL that wasn’t as martial, but still quite so.) [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-Automatic_Ground_Environment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-Automatic_Ground_Enviro...
      - Jon_Lowtek 5y ago
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
> The internet was not design to spy on citizens, it was design to connect citizenry! Opponents are sending spies, we are gathering intelligence. They are terrorists, but we are freedom fighters. Mafia doesn't do racketeering, they offer protection, etc.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

The most ardent KBG agents are rolling in their graves - the 'free west' has a tracker on every citizen, and they even paid for the privilidge! Trully capitalism delivers results!