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According to United Nations there is the right of self determination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determ

According to United Nations there is the right of self determination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination This should take precedence over national law as it is the international community who decides what in the end is a country. But in this case there was not enough international support as more countries (especially in Europe) didn't want to ignite their local independence movements. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41610863 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41610863

elnatro 5y ago
Note the right for self-determination was defined as such for the colonies. Catalonia has never been a colony. Now, try to secede from the USA and see what happens. Almost all countries have in their Constitutions provisions against secession.
- jurmous 5y ago
  The right does not refer specifically to being a colony. There are many examples of countries which seceded which were not a colony. The Catalans still have a national day to remember how they were defeated by the Spanish armies and lost their institutions and laws. This will remind them at least yearly that they were once independent. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Catalonia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Catalonia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Barcelona_(1713–1714) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Barcelona_(1713–1714) And it is not like there are no secession movements in the USA: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_secession_movements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_secession_movements - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_and_secession_in_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_and_secession_in_Cal... Although I agree the case to be independent must be really strong in the USA for it to work and won't happen soon. And see cases like Taiwan which are still in limbo. In the end it is about acceptance by the international community which will decide what is a country and what not.
  - elnatro 5y ago
    Catalans didn’t lose anything, they were part of the Kingdom of Aragon (a part of the Kingdom of Spain), and when Charles II died without heir, there was a civil war against two European families: Bourbon & Habsburg. Castile nobles chose Bourbon while Aragon ones chose Habsburg. The war was not because of some “state rights” or whatever you’d like to say, it was a fight for the Spanish Crown between two European Royal Families. If Aragon nobles chose with such bad luck that they were in the losing side, that’s Human History.
    - jurmous 5y ago
      I said they lost their laws and institutions as it is mentioned on the linked wiki page. It is a big deal to them as is clear how they present it in the museum of Catalonia in Barcelona and how big they remember this day every year. They want to be more in control of their own rules and destiny and that fight is still alive. The question is if this is the majority or a loud minority. But without a proper referendum we will never know exactly. But how they vote in regional elections seem to be that most are more separatist.

elnatro 5y ago

Note the right for self-determination was defined as such for the colonies. Catalonia has never been a colony. Now, try to secede from the USA and see what happens. Almost all countries have in their Constitutions provisions against secession.

jurmous 5y ago
The right does not refer specifically to being a colony. There are many examples of countries which seceded which were not a colony. The Catalans still have a national day to remember how they were defeated by the Spanish armies and lost their institutions and laws. This will remind them at least yearly that they were once independent. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Catalonia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Catalonia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Barcelona_(1713–1714) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Barcelona_(1713–1714) And it is not like there are no secession movements in the USA: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_secession_movements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_secession_movements - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_and_secession_in_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_and_secession_in_Cal... Although I agree the case to be independent must be really strong in the USA for it to work and won't happen soon. And see cases like Taiwan which are still in limbo. In the end it is about acceptance by the international community which will decide what is a country and what not.
- elnatro 5y ago
  Catalans didn’t lose anything, they were part of the Kingdom of Aragon (a part of the Kingdom of Spain), and when Charles II died without heir, there was a civil war against two European families: Bourbon & Habsburg. Castile nobles chose Bourbon while Aragon ones chose Habsburg. The war was not because of some “state rights” or whatever you’d like to say, it was a fight for the Spanish Crown between two European Royal Families. If Aragon nobles chose with such bad luck that they were in the losing side, that’s Human History.
  - jurmous 5y ago
    I said they lost their laws and institutions as it is mentioned on the linked wiki page. It is a big deal to them as is clear how they present it in the museum of Catalonia in Barcelona and how big they remember this day every year. They want to be more in control of their own rules and destiny and that fight is still alive. The question is if this is the majority or a loud minority. But without a proper referendum we will never know exactly. But how they vote in regional elections seem to be that most are more separatist.