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Andalusian tongues have different words and different tenses. However, these are dialects because they have not been politicized like Catalan or Basque (less th

Andalusian tongues have different words and different tenses. However, these are dialects because they have not been politicized like Catalan or Basque (less the Galician). In the case of Galician, one of the first to write in the Galician language was Alfonso X, the Castilian king, so there’s that to using languages as a political tool.

marcan_42 5y ago
Basque is a completely different language, there is no real debate about that one. It is not even a romance language. If you want to look for politicized linguistic debate in Spain, try Valencian vs. Catalan :)
- elnatro 5y ago
  Basque is a different beast, totally. An orphaned language that some say it has some Iberian or even North-African roots… However, is not an indoeuropeas languages, a gem on its own. Having said that, the push for normalization of the Basque has mad some Basques angry because they don’t speak “standard” Basque.
RobertoG 5y ago
Catalan is derived from Latin not Spanish, and Basque roots are not even Latin. So, it seems to me, that to say they are not dialects because they have been politicized is a politic statement in itself.
- elnatro 5y ago
  No, I never said that Catalan is a dialect, it is indeed a language. But Catalan nationalists are even trying to remove all Spanish from the education [1][2] even by disobeying court sentences. If you compare the situation between Catalan and Galicia. You can see it clearly. Galician is not used by most people nor politicians as a political tool. Catalan is sadly being used as such. [1] https://www.elperiodico.com/es/sociedad/20211123/sentencia-25-ensenanza-castellano-catalunya-firme-12892431 https://www.elperiodico.com/es/sociedad/20211123/sentencia-2... [2] https://www.europapress.es/nacional/noticia-parlament-catalan-rechaza-acatar-sentencia-tsjc-fija-25-castellano-escuelas-20211215173625.html https://www.europapress.es/nacional/noticia-parlament-catala...
  - RobertoG 5y ago
    You literally said that Andalusian and others "are dialects because they have not been politicized like Catalan or Basque", suggesting that what makes a language a language instead of a dialect it's its political weight. Certainly, Catalan is used as a political tool, but it's a little hypocritical to think that Spanish is not. We all know how political questions should be solved in a democracy.
    - elnatro 5y ago
      I explained myself poorly, English is not my first language. Andalusian is a set of dialects were Basque, Catalan and Galician are languages. Having said that, Catalan and Basque have been used as a political tool for decades, much less the Galician, and not the Andalusian dialects of Spanish. Hope this comment clarifies what I’m trying to say.
darkwater 5y ago
I'm probably going against HN rules on commenting but the only one being "politicized" here is you. Saying with a straight face that Euskera (aka Basque) should be a dialect of Castillian is at very least an ignorant position, if not straight a bad faith one.
- elnatro 5y ago
  I never said that Basque is a dialect. I’m saying that some Basque nationalists have used language or even DNA to divide the society between what they consider Basque, and the other ones.

marcan_42 5y ago

Basque is a completely different language, there is no real debate about that one. It is not even a romance language. If you want to look for politicized linguistic debate in Spain, try Valencian vs. Catalan :)

elnatro 5y ago
Basque is a different beast, totally. An orphaned language that some say it has some Iberian or even North-African roots… However, is not an indoeuropeas languages, a gem on its own. Having said that, the push for normalization of the Basque has mad some Basques angry because they don’t speak “standard” Basque.

RobertoG 5y ago

Catalan is derived from Latin not Spanish, and Basque roots are not even Latin. So, it seems to me, that to say they are not dialects because they have been politicized is a politic statement in itself.

elnatro 5y ago
No, I never said that Catalan is a dialect, it is indeed a language. But Catalan nationalists are even trying to remove all Spanish from the education [1][2] even by disobeying court sentences. If you compare the situation between Catalan and Galicia. You can see it clearly. Galician is not used by most people nor politicians as a political tool. Catalan is sadly being used as such. [1] https://www.elperiodico.com/es/sociedad/20211123/sentencia-25-ensenanza-castellano-catalunya-firme-12892431 https://www.elperiodico.com/es/sociedad/20211123/sentencia-2... [2] https://www.europapress.es/nacional/noticia-parlament-catalan-rechaza-acatar-sentencia-tsjc-fija-25-castellano-escuelas-20211215173625.html https://www.europapress.es/nacional/noticia-parlament-catala...
- RobertoG 5y ago
  You literally said that Andalusian and others "are dialects because they have not been politicized like Catalan or Basque", suggesting that what makes a language a language instead of a dialect it's its political weight. Certainly, Catalan is used as a political tool, but it's a little hypocritical to think that Spanish is not. We all know how political questions should be solved in a democracy.
  - elnatro 5y ago
    I explained myself poorly, English is not my first language. Andalusian is a set of dialects were Basque, Catalan and Galician are languages. Having said that, Catalan and Basque have been used as a political tool for decades, much less the Galician, and not the Andalusian dialects of Spanish. Hope this comment clarifies what I’m trying to say.

darkwater 5y ago

I'm probably going against HN rules on commenting but the only one being "politicized" here is you. Saying with a straight face that Euskera (aka Basque) should be a dialect of Castillian is at very least an ignorant position, if not straight a bad faith one.

elnatro 5y ago
I never said that Basque is a dialect. I’m saying that some Basque nationalists have used language or even DNA to divide the society between what they consider Basque, and the other ones.