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Caffeine is one of the few stimulants that seems to be beneficial to the human health. Moderate use is linked to a lower likelihood of type 2 diabetes, heart di

Caffeine is one of the few stimulants that seems to be beneficial to the human health. Moderate use is linked to a lower likelihood of type 2 diabetes, heart disease, liver and endometrial cancers, Parkinson’s disease... Certainly more beneficial than smoking cannabis (in most cases together with tobacco). Damage to the lungs is one of the first thing that comes to my mind.

sdze 5y ago
Most of the beneficial effects are because of the complex chemistry of roasted coffee and not solely because of Caffeine. AFAIK cannabis has also a multitude of complex phytochemical elements that are beneficial to human health.
hypertele-Xii 5y ago
Vaporization of cannabis without tobacco makes lungs a moot point though.
- jimsimmons 5y ago
  Does it? Smoke is still smoke
  - honkdaddy 5y ago
    Smoke is different from vapor. When you vape cannabis, you're not actually combusting anything, just heating the plant matter enough that some of the particles on the flower are converted to vapor and inhaled.
    - realce 5y ago
      I am a dire pothead who only uses their Pax2, but please don't frame accepting "plant vapor" into your lungs as a totally harmless thing. It's still heated organic material that your lungs arn't made to accept. It's better than smoking, but we need to be responsible and admit that it's not exactly without risk or harm.
      - tedivm 5y ago
        The person you're responding to never said it was without risk, just that vaping isn't the same as smoking- and the scientific literature backs this statement up. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30049223/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30049223/ > Conclusions: Single-dose inhalation of vaporized cannabis had no clinically meaningful positive or negative effect on airway function, exertional breathlessness, and exercise endurance in adults with advanced COPD. Clinical trial registered with www.clinicaltrials.gov (NCT03060993). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456813/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456813/ > The majority of studies suggest that vapourizers adequately reduce risk of pulmonary symptoms (5,14–16), although complete safety may require a regulated source of plant material, rather than ‘street’ samples, which produce ammonia (17). > The findings suggest that vapourization reduces the delivery of toxic byproducts associated with the use of smoked cannabis. A subsequent experiment addressed exhaled carbon monoxide (CO) (14). The researchers found a statistically significant difference between the increase in CO exhaled following smoking cannabis versus vapourization. The amount of exhaled CO showed little to no increase following vapourization compared with large increases following smoking, which would be expected for inhalation of a combustion product. These findings give further evidence that vapourization reduces exposure to gaseous combustion toxins. This isn't to say there is no risk, but if someone is going to consume cannabis it is amazingly clear that vaporizing it is safer than smoking it.
post-it 5y ago
> smoking cannabis (in most cases together with tobacco) In most cases? Where in the world? In Canada at least, frequent cannabis smokers and frequent cigarette smokers are nearly disjoint groups.
- vict00ms 5y ago
  There are definitely places where "spliffs" (weed+tobacco) are the norm, but it's definitely atypical.
  - achenet 5y ago
    Spliffs are the norm most of Europe. An entire continent is hardly atypical.
- dasKrokodil 5y ago
  Yes, this is a big difference between North America and Europe. I've never understood why (and consider it to be a big mistake), but for some reason most potheads in Europe mix their weed and hash with tobacco.

sdze 5y ago

Most of the beneficial effects are because of the complex chemistry of roasted coffee and not solely because of Caffeine. AFAIK cannabis has also a multitude of complex phytochemical elements that are beneficial to human health.

hypertele-Xii 5y ago

Vaporization of cannabis without tobacco makes lungs a moot point though.

jimsimmons 5y ago
Does it? Smoke is still smoke
- honkdaddy 5y ago
  Smoke is different from vapor. When you vape cannabis, you're not actually combusting anything, just heating the plant matter enough that some of the particles on the flower are converted to vapor and inhaled.
  - realce 5y ago
    I am a dire pothead who only uses their Pax2, but please don't frame accepting "plant vapor" into your lungs as a totally harmless thing. It's still heated organic material that your lungs arn't made to accept. It's better than smoking, but we need to be responsible and admit that it's not exactly without risk or harm.
    - tedivm 5y ago
      The person you're responding to never said it was without risk, just that vaping isn't the same as smoking- and the scientific literature backs this statement up. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30049223/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30049223/ > Conclusions: Single-dose inhalation of vaporized cannabis had no clinically meaningful positive or negative effect on airway function, exertional breathlessness, and exercise endurance in adults with advanced COPD. Clinical trial registered with www.clinicaltrials.gov (NCT03060993). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456813/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456813/ > The majority of studies suggest that vapourizers adequately reduce risk of pulmonary symptoms (5,14–16), although complete safety may require a regulated source of plant material, rather than ‘street’ samples, which produce ammonia (17). > The findings suggest that vapourization reduces the delivery of toxic byproducts associated with the use of smoked cannabis. A subsequent experiment addressed exhaled carbon monoxide (CO) (14). The researchers found a statistically significant difference between the increase in CO exhaled following smoking cannabis versus vapourization. The amount of exhaled CO showed little to no increase following vapourization compared with large increases following smoking, which would be expected for inhalation of a combustion product. These findings give further evidence that vapourization reduces exposure to gaseous combustion toxins. This isn't to say there is no risk, but if someone is going to consume cannabis it is amazingly clear that vaporizing it is safer than smoking it.

post-it 5y ago

> smoking cannabis (in most cases together with tobacco) In most cases? Where in the world? In Canada at least, frequent cannabis smokers and frequent cigarette smokers are nearly disjoint groups.

vict00ms 5y ago
There are definitely places where "spliffs" (weed+tobacco) are the norm, but it's definitely atypical.
- achenet 5y ago
  Spliffs are the norm most of Europe. An entire continent is hardly atypical.
dasKrokodil 5y ago
Yes, this is a big difference between North America and Europe. I've never understood why (and consider it to be a big mistake), but for some reason most potheads in Europe mix their weed and hash with tobacco.