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To each their own. Linux DMs (including KDE, Gnome, and many others) are still way behind in basic UX flows like multimon and snapping windows, and Mac has bar

To each their own. Linux DMs (including KDE, Gnome, and many others) are still way behind in basic UX flows like multimon and snapping windows, and Mac has barely even tried. Keyboard shortcuts for moving windows between monitors, snapping, launching pinned apps, etc. are also sorely lacking on alternatives. I use Linux (Gnome 3 these days), OS X, Windows, and Chrome OS on a daily basis and still prefer Windows for my personal devices.

pkulak 5y ago
> Keyboard shortcuts for moving windows between monitors, snapping, launching pinned apps, etc. are also sorely lacking. Allow me to show you this tiling window manager…
bayindirh 5y ago
KDE has 95% of the things you've mentioned for at least 5 years, if not longer (I'm using KDE for more than a decade, so I don't remember exact dates). I clearly remember that when Windows introduced auto-snapping/auto-scaling windows, I looked and giggled as yet another KDE feature made its way to one of the "bigger" environments.
Zardoz84 5y ago
What ? I can't speak about Gnome and other DMs, but KDE experience with multimonitor, it's better. It simply works out of the box. I don't get monitors swapped aleatory. I can designated my primary screen without issues. Also, snapping windows was a feature on Linux DMs like decades ago!
- bayindirh 5y ago
  Multi monitor comfort in Linux is a relatively new thing. In the olden days, that thing was flat out painful. It's really well working in these days, but it was not like that until recently. I remember setting up Xorg.conf to get my single monitor working as it should.
  - jcelerier 5y ago
    What's "recently" for you ? The last time I had to write Xorg modelines must have been before Ubuntu 6.04
    - bayindirh 5y ago
      5-6 years. Yes, Auto configuring X.org is older than that, but drivers, Multi monitor setup and other related things came later than that. Even if X had proper support for multiple monitors, drivers were very finicky at the beginning.
      - jcelerier 5y ago
        weird, I wonder what distro you were using. Even 5-6 years ago, multi monitors just worked for me - hell, I had a retina screen at that time and it pretty much just worked too.
  - jeffreygoesto 5y ago
    Jesus, those days of manual modeline hacking, because I could get an enormous, 42kg (had to carry it 6 stories up and later down), 21" fixed frequency Monitor from an old Workstation for small money...
  - okasaki 5y ago
    Editing xorg.conf became unnecessary around 2003 iirc. You either have a strange set up or a very good memory.
    - bayindirh 5y ago
      I'm using Linux for ~20 years at this point. I remember fine tuning X.org after than that to fine tune behavior of ATI and nVidia drivers back in the day, around 2007-2008 IIRC. While most of the work has vanished for single monitor setups around that time frame, multi-monitor setting wasn't very reliable and deterministic under xrandr came around and drivers added native support for that. *: randr came around 2003: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/log/randr/randr.c?ofs=50 https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/log/randr/randr.c?...
wastholm 5y ago
To each their own indeed. For me, as someone who uses KDE/Plasma by choice and Windows because sometimes I have to, it has been a source of humor for years and years how an environment literally called Windows can have such hilariously bad window management. No point to focus, no configurable window shortcuts, no send to front/back, no minimizing a window when its application is "busy", bad and inconsistent visual indication of which window has focus...
indymike 5y ago
You've clearly not used KDE in about 10 years if you think it doesn't have excellent snapping and multi monitor and multi desktop. VS KDE. Without powertoys is at parity with maybe kde4 in this area.

pkulak 5y ago

> Keyboard shortcuts for moving windows between monitors, snapping, launching pinned apps, etc. are also sorely lacking. Allow me to show you this tiling window manager…

bayindirh 5y ago

KDE has 95% of the things you've mentioned for at least 5 years, if not longer (I'm using KDE for more than a decade, so I don't remember exact dates). I clearly remember that when Windows introduced auto-snapping/auto-scaling windows, I looked and giggled as yet another KDE feature made its way to one of the "bigger" environments.

Zardoz84 5y ago

What ? I can't speak about Gnome and other DMs, but KDE experience with multimonitor, it's better. It simply works out of the box. I don't get monitors swapped aleatory. I can designated my primary screen without issues. Also, snapping windows was a feature on Linux DMs like decades ago!

bayindirh 5y ago
Multi monitor comfort in Linux is a relatively new thing. In the olden days, that thing was flat out painful. It's really well working in these days, but it was not like that until recently. I remember setting up Xorg.conf to get my single monitor working as it should.
- jcelerier 5y ago
  What's "recently" for you ? The last time I had to write Xorg modelines must have been before Ubuntu 6.04
  - bayindirh 5y ago
    5-6 years. Yes, Auto configuring X.org is older than that, but drivers, Multi monitor setup and other related things came later than that. Even if X had proper support for multiple monitors, drivers were very finicky at the beginning.
    - jcelerier 5y ago
      weird, I wonder what distro you were using. Even 5-6 years ago, multi monitors just worked for me - hell, I had a retina screen at that time and it pretty much just worked too.
- jeffreygoesto 5y ago
  Jesus, those days of manual modeline hacking, because I could get an enormous, 42kg (had to carry it 6 stories up and later down), 21" fixed frequency Monitor from an old Workstation for small money...
- okasaki 5y ago
  Editing xorg.conf became unnecessary around 2003 iirc. You either have a strange set up or a very good memory.
  - bayindirh 5y ago
    I'm using Linux for ~20 years at this point. I remember fine tuning X.org after than that to fine tune behavior of ATI and nVidia drivers back in the day, around 2007-2008 IIRC. While most of the work has vanished for single monitor setups around that time frame, multi-monitor setting wasn't very reliable and deterministic under xrandr came around and drivers added native support for that. *: randr came around 2003: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/log/randr/randr.c?ofs=50 https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/log/randr/randr.c?...

wastholm 5y ago

To each their own indeed. For me, as someone who uses KDE/Plasma by choice and Windows because sometimes I have to, it has been a source of humor for years and years how an environment literally called Windows can have such hilariously bad window management. No point to focus, no configurable window shortcuts, no send to front/back, no minimizing a window when its application is "busy", bad and inconsistent visual indication of which window has focus...

indymike 5y ago

You've clearly not used KDE in about 10 years if you think it doesn't have excellent snapping and multi monitor and multi desktop. VS KDE. Without powertoys is at parity with maybe kde4 in this area.