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Bari Weiss stuff probably should be blacklisted here. There’s a reason the New York Times quickly figured it was worth the hit to fire her. She’s a mere sensati

by aklemm 5y ago

Bari Weiss stuff probably should be blacklisted here. There’s a reason the New York Times quickly figured it was worth the hit to fire her. She’s a mere sensationalist propaganda peddler.

tracker1 5y ago
Propaganda is going to happen... better to have it exposed and countered than for it to fester as "truth" because it aligns with your political views. Note: this is not an endorsement or counter to the opinion on Bari Weiss, not familiar enough to comment. Only that blacklisting people and ideas is often not the best solution. It can feel justified and be expedient, but will emphatically lead to worse outcomes for society. In general, there's too many hard lines drawn politically, and I'd rather see a return to some level of discourse, negotiation and compromise. IMO that's when the system is working at its' best. Not when anyone gets everything they want, but when opposing views work together to come up with solutions in compromise that lead to better.
- aklemm 5y ago
  That's all true on the spectrum of reasonable, honest dialogue. Bari Weiss is in the group not being reasonable, while asking for reasonable (determined by intellectual honesty, not political leaning) people's time. Being tasked to reckon with the absurd and the deliberate muddling of issues is not, in my opinion, going to help much.
imgabe 5y ago
We don’t need to turn HN into another echo chamber. You can read something that doesn’t just parrot your own beliefs back at you once in a while. You’ll be ok.
- aklemm 5y ago
  Luckily I didn’t suggest any such thing. Here’s a chance for you to reckon with whether you’re being intellectually honest. I suggested blacklisting a source with a history of intellectual dishonesty, some of which was picked up right in this thread. What are you suggesting?
  - imgabe 5y ago
    I’m suggesting we don’t blacklist anything. If there’s something dishonest you could be specific about exactly what and why instead of making demands based on unsupported assertions. I didn’t find anything intellectually dishonest about this or anything else Weiss has written or published. You keep acting like you can just make these statements and they’re self-evidently true. If you want anyone to consider what you’re talking about you have to, you know actually make a case and present an argument and evidence, not just declare things like everyone is supposed to automatically agree with you.
- xg15 5y ago
  There is "having a different viewpoint" and then there is "being intentionally misleading". See my other post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30018171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30018171
horns4lyfe 5y ago
If you’re uncomfortable with other people reading opinions you don’t like, Reddit awaits.

by aklemm 5y ago

Bari Weiss stuff probably should be blacklisted here. There’s a reason the New York Times quickly figured it was worth the hit to fire her. She’s a mere sensationalist propaganda peddler.

tracker1 5y ago

Propaganda is going to happen... better to have it exposed and countered than for it to fester as "truth" because it aligns with your political views. Note: this is not an endorsement or counter to the opinion on Bari Weiss, not familiar enough to comment. Only that blacklisting people and ideas is often not the best solution. It can feel justified and be expedient, but will emphatically lead to worse outcomes for society. In general, there's too many hard lines drawn politically, and I'd rather see a return to some level of discourse, negotiation and compromise. IMO that's when the system is working at its' best. Not when anyone gets everything they want, but when opposing views work together to come up with solutions in compromise that lead to better.

aklemm 5y ago
That's all true on the spectrum of reasonable, honest dialogue. Bari Weiss is in the group not being reasonable, while asking for reasonable (determined by intellectual honesty, not political leaning) people's time. Being tasked to reckon with the absurd and the deliberate muddling of issues is not, in my opinion, going to help much.

imgabe 5y ago

We don’t need to turn HN into another echo chamber. You can read something that doesn’t just parrot your own beliefs back at you once in a while. You’ll be ok.

aklemm 5y ago
Luckily I didn’t suggest any such thing. Here’s a chance for you to reckon with whether you’re being intellectually honest. I suggested blacklisting a source with a history of intellectual dishonesty, some of which was picked up right in this thread. What are you suggesting?
- imgabe 5y ago
  I’m suggesting we don’t blacklist anything. If there’s something dishonest you could be specific about exactly what and why instead of making demands based on unsupported assertions. I didn’t find anything intellectually dishonest about this or anything else Weiss has written or published. You keep acting like you can just make these statements and they’re self-evidently true. If you want anyone to consider what you’re talking about you have to, you know actually make a case and present an argument and evidence, not just declare things like everyone is supposed to automatically agree with you.
xg15 5y ago
There is "having a different viewpoint" and then there is "being intentionally misleading". See my other post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30018171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30018171

horns4lyfe 5y ago

If you’re uncomfortable with other people reading opinions you don’t like, Reddit awaits.