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Not for children.

p1necone 5y ago
Children spread covid to more vulnerable people just as easily as adults do. Unless your world view is that we should all teach our children to be maximally selfish and to not care when grandma dies then thinking only of your own direct mortality during a highly contagious pandemic is a bit silly.
- disambiguation 5y ago
  No they don't https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1146/6024998 https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1146/6024998 > Children are Infrequently Identified as the Index Case of Household SARS-CoV-2 Clusters > In analysis of the cluster index cases, we included 43 articles, in which there were 213 SARS-CoV-2 transmission clusters; only 3.8% (8/213) were identified as having a pediatric index case (Table 1 and Supplementary Tables 1 and 3). Of 611 individuals in the 213 clusters, there were 102 children. These pediatric cases only caused 4.0% (16/398) of all secondary cases, compared with the 97.8% of secondary cases that occurred when an adult was identified as the index case in the cluster (Table 1).
- dpark 5y ago
  > Unless your world view is that we should all teach our children to be maximally selfish and to not care when grandma dies then thinking only of your own direct mortality during a highly contagious pandemic is a bit silly. Is this really necessary? You started by saying that COVID is multiple orders of magnitude more deadly than drowning. You were shown to be wrong, so you retreated to the “gotta protect grandma” stance (which is unrelated to your original claim, and also very possibly wrong), and then for good measure you knocked down a straw man and cast wrycoder as basically just evil for disagreeing with you. The reality is that children seem to have extremely low risk from COVID. And it appears that they aren’t particularly likely to pass it to vulnerable populations. And those vulnerable populations should be vaccinated already (as should everyone eligible). Maybe unmasking children would increase the danger to at-risk populations. Maybe that’s selfish. Maybe it’s selfish to keep demanding children wear masks for 8 hours/day out of fear when the evidence that it’s doing anything useful seems lacking. What I know is that COVID isn’t going anywhere and “everyone wear a mask all the time until the end of time” is not an end game strategy. As an aside, the most frustrating thing about arguments (“discussions”) is that even when people are wrong and proven so, they rarely accept it or change they claims. They go right out saying the same stuff again. Most of the people spouting misinformation on both sides of the COVID debate are pretty well informed about the reality at this point. They just willfully ignore information that didn’t fit their narrative.
- rayiner 5y ago
  Grandma should get triple vaxed, and if she still gets covid and dies then maybe it was her time. It’s not about “selfishness” it’s about making realistic trade offs between different segments of society and different aspects of life.

Not for children.

Children spread covid to more vulnerable people just as easily as adults do. Unless your world view is that we should all teach our children to be maximally selfish and to not care when grandma dies then thinking only of your own direct mortality during a highly contagious pandemic is a bit silly.

disambiguation 5y ago
No they don't https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1146/6024998 https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1146/6024998 > Children are Infrequently Identified as the Index Case of Household SARS-CoV-2 Clusters > In analysis of the cluster index cases, we included 43 articles, in which there were 213 SARS-CoV-2 transmission clusters; only 3.8% (8/213) were identified as having a pediatric index case (Table 1 and Supplementary Tables 1 and 3). Of 611 individuals in the 213 clusters, there were 102 children. These pediatric cases only caused 4.0% (16/398) of all secondary cases, compared with the 97.8% of secondary cases that occurred when an adult was identified as the index case in the cluster (Table 1).
dpark 5y ago
> Unless your world view is that we should all teach our children to be maximally selfish and to not care when grandma dies then thinking only of your own direct mortality during a highly contagious pandemic is a bit silly. Is this really necessary? You started by saying that COVID is multiple orders of magnitude more deadly than drowning. You were shown to be wrong, so you retreated to the “gotta protect grandma” stance (which is unrelated to your original claim, and also very possibly wrong), and then for good measure you knocked down a straw man and cast wrycoder as basically just evil for disagreeing with you. The reality is that children seem to have extremely low risk from COVID. And it appears that they aren’t particularly likely to pass it to vulnerable populations. And those vulnerable populations should be vaccinated already (as should everyone eligible). Maybe unmasking children would increase the danger to at-risk populations. Maybe that’s selfish. Maybe it’s selfish to keep demanding children wear masks for 8 hours/day out of fear when the evidence that it’s doing anything useful seems lacking. What I know is that COVID isn’t going anywhere and “everyone wear a mask all the time until the end of time” is not an end game strategy. As an aside, the most frustrating thing about arguments (“discussions”) is that even when people are wrong and proven so, they rarely accept it or change they claims. They go right out saying the same stuff again. Most of the people spouting misinformation on both sides of the COVID debate are pretty well informed about the reality at this point. They just willfully ignore information that didn’t fit their narrative.
rayiner 5y ago
Grandma should get triple vaxed, and if she still gets covid and dies then maybe it was her time. It’s not about “selfishness” it’s about making realistic trade offs between different segments of society and different aspects of life.