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No, it's only "generated through an interaction of a covered platform user with the business's products or services". Device ID and Locations aren't exactly gen

No, it's only "generated through an interaction of a covered platform user with the business's products or services". Device ID and Locations aren't exactly generated through an interaction unless the user decides to give it. Exactly that's your choice. You can choose to continue being on Apple's App Store where they do check for all of these if you want. No one is forcing you to install give that credit card info. Don't take away my choice to choose otherwise. If I want to pay for something with credit card, shouldn't I be allowed to? Or if I wanted to run background processes on my devices?

olliej 5y ago
You do have a choice, for all of your examples: you can buy an android device. The iOS ecosystem is successful because that is what many people want. You want the android experience, but rather than getting an android, you want to force that on the people who prefer the iOS model. They like not having to worry about malware. Currently an iOS user can get all the software that they want from the iOS AppStore, and they don’t have to give random companies their CC#, they don’t have to worry about the app subverting their privacy, because they know apple kills software that does that whenever they find it. This law means they have to deal with multiple different stores, that have no incentive to maintain platform security or user privacy. In fact they’re incentivized to abuse user privacy. As an iOS user I do not want the android experience. This law basically forces ios to have that. Malware and all. The only things this does is reduce user security, and give scummy publishers the ability to bypass AppStore rules the protect users (like “you must make discounting if subscriptions trivial”, “you don’t get to run a cruptominer in the background”, etc). Again, if you want to have the android experience, use android. Literally no one is stopping you.
- ThatPlayer 5y ago
  I want a better iOS, not just an Android experience. Those are not the same thing. > an iOS user can get all the software that they want from the iOS AppStore, > apple kills software Which is exactly the problem. That Apple has monopoly power over iOS apps. > This law means they have to deal with multiple different stores And in the same way I can choose Android, you can choose to use to continue to use Apple App Store only. Do you think Apple should be the only smartphone manufacturers because you don't want to deal with multiple OSes? No, because you're not being forced to use all of them.
  - olliej 5y ago
    Do you think if google makes google calendar only available from the google store that many people will have a choice?
    - ThatPlayer 5y ago
      Yes. You can choose to use Apple Calendar. Can I not go on the Apple App Store and search for Calendar and easily get 10+ results? Are you forced to use Google Calendar? No, but you can choose to.
- olyjohn 5y ago
  Nobody is forcing you to delete the Apple app store and sideload apps. Don't want that experience? Don't sideload apps and don't use alternate app stores. Literally no one is forcing you to install apps another way. Just because the feature is there, doesn't mean you have to use it.
  - olliej 5y ago
    Until, for example, google deploys its app through its own App Store, with its own “privacy” rules. Or epic: another company that has a novel approach to use privacy Or Facebook Etc, etc The only option goes “the AppStore with its various restrictions and protections” or “miscellaneous parties with a vested interest in destroying your privacy and/or complete lack of any review”
- EMIRELADERO 5y ago
  I think the best solution here would be to outright disallow (by law) companies from manufacturing devices in a way in which they retain more control over them even after the sale to the end user has been completed. They can have either the same level of control, less, but never more. As it stands right now, Apple and pretty much all Android manufacturers have more control (Yes, I said Android too. Good luck trying to mod the bootloader itself or gaining access to the TEE) This would be a great thing because that way you don't force any company to modify their app plattform or change their normal user-facing software in any way, yet those who wish so can do with the device whatever they want in the same fashion the manufacturer could before (and even after) the sale.
  - bzzzt 5y ago
    This has never been about users having control over their own devices (that ship sailed since proprietary software became a thing). This is about big corps fighting about money trying to influence public opinion and legislation.
    - EMIRELADERO 5y ago
      In my opinion, proprietary software doesn't mean you don't have control, as long as you can choose to not run that software and still make use of the hardware. It's not proprietariness that is the issue, it's the forced execution of code the owner does not approve, or even worse, the outright refusal to run the code that the owner does approve of.
- ViViDboarder 5y ago
  > You do have a choice, for all of your examples: you can buy an android device. The iOS ecosystem is successful because that is what many people want. And if they opened up to additional stores or side loading, you would have a choice to stick with only using the Apple one. That choice doesn’t go away. In fact, the vast majority of Android users aren’t installing side stores because the Play Store has what they want. This is why companies like Spotify still distribute there despite fighting Google on fees.

olliej 5y ago

You do have a choice, for all of your examples: you can buy an android device. The iOS ecosystem is successful because that is what many people want. You want the android experience, but rather than getting an android, you want to force that on the people who prefer the iOS model. They like not having to worry about malware. Currently an iOS user can get all the software that they want from the iOS AppStore, and they don’t have to give random companies their CC#, they don’t have to worry about the app subverting their privacy, because they know apple kills software that does that whenever they find it. This law means they have to deal with multiple different stores, that have no incentive to maintain platform security or user privacy. In fact they’re incentivized to abuse user privacy. As an iOS user I do not want the android experience. This law basically forces ios to have that. Malware and all. The only things this does is reduce user security, and give scummy publishers the ability to bypass AppStore rules the protect users (like “you must make discounting if subscriptions trivial”, “you don’t get to run a cruptominer in the background”, etc). Again, if you want to have the android experience, use android. Literally no one is stopping you.

ThatPlayer 5y ago
I want a better iOS, not just an Android experience. Those are not the same thing. > an iOS user can get all the software that they want from the iOS AppStore, > apple kills software Which is exactly the problem. That Apple has monopoly power over iOS apps. > This law means they have to deal with multiple different stores And in the same way I can choose Android, you can choose to use to continue to use Apple App Store only. Do you think Apple should be the only smartphone manufacturers because you don't want to deal with multiple OSes? No, because you're not being forced to use all of them.
- olliej 5y ago
  Do you think if google makes google calendar only available from the google store that many people will have a choice?
  - ThatPlayer 5y ago
    Yes. You can choose to use Apple Calendar. Can I not go on the Apple App Store and search for Calendar and easily get 10+ results? Are you forced to use Google Calendar? No, but you can choose to.
olyjohn 5y ago
Nobody is forcing you to delete the Apple app store and sideload apps. Don't want that experience? Don't sideload apps and don't use alternate app stores. Literally no one is forcing you to install apps another way. Just because the feature is there, doesn't mean you have to use it.
- olliej 5y ago
  Until, for example, google deploys its app through its own App Store, with its own “privacy” rules. Or epic: another company that has a novel approach to use privacy Or Facebook Etc, etc The only option goes “the AppStore with its various restrictions and protections” or “miscellaneous parties with a vested interest in destroying your privacy and/or complete lack of any review”
EMIRELADERO 5y ago
I think the best solution here would be to outright disallow (by law) companies from manufacturing devices in a way in which they retain more control over them even after the sale to the end user has been completed. They can have either the same level of control, less, but never more. As it stands right now, Apple and pretty much all Android manufacturers have more control (Yes, I said Android too. Good luck trying to mod the bootloader itself or gaining access to the TEE) This would be a great thing because that way you don't force any company to modify their app plattform or change their normal user-facing software in any way, yet those who wish so can do with the device whatever they want in the same fashion the manufacturer could before (and even after) the sale.
- bzzzt 5y ago
  This has never been about users having control over their own devices (that ship sailed since proprietary software became a thing). This is about big corps fighting about money trying to influence public opinion and legislation.
  - EMIRELADERO 5y ago
    In my opinion, proprietary software doesn't mean you don't have control, as long as you can choose to not run that software and still make use of the hardware. It's not proprietariness that is the issue, it's the forced execution of code the owner does not approve, or even worse, the outright refusal to run the code that the owner does approve of.
ViViDboarder 5y ago
> You do have a choice, for all of your examples: you can buy an android device. The iOS ecosystem is successful because that is what many people want. And if they opened up to additional stores or side loading, you would have a choice to stick with only using the Apple one. That choice doesn’t go away. In fact, the vast majority of Android users aren’t installing side stores because the Play Store has what they want. This is why companies like Spotify still distribute there despite fighting Google on fees.