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You mean the android that has a massive malware problem? That android? As for the second bit, the "generated information" is things like device ids, location,

by olliej 5y ago

You mean the android that has a massive malware problem? That android? As for the second bit, the "generated information" is things like device ids, location, etc. The stuff that is necessary for a phone. But clearly you're of the view that requiring malware, people having to give CC information to innumerable other companies, is a good thing, so I doubt we're ever going to agree on this. I would rather not have to worry about software installing a persistent crypto miner in the background, and not having to worry about software invading my privacy, than installing whatever mysterious apps aren't currently permitted on the App Store, but you do you.

ThatPlayer 5y ago
No, it's only "generated through an interaction of a covered platform user with the business's products or services". Device ID and Locations aren't exactly generated through an interaction unless the user decides to give it. Exactly that's your choice. You can choose to continue being on Apple's App Store where they do check for all of these if you want. No one is forcing you to install give that credit card info. Don't take away my choice to choose otherwise. If I want to pay for something with credit card, shouldn't I be allowed to? Or if I wanted to run background processes on my devices?
- olliej 5y ago
  You do have a choice, for all of your examples: you can buy an android device. The iOS ecosystem is successful because that is what many people want. You want the android experience, but rather than getting an android, you want to force that on the people who prefer the iOS model. They like not having to worry about malware. Currently an iOS user can get all the software that they want from the iOS AppStore, and they don’t have to give random companies their CC#, they don’t have to worry about the app subverting their privacy, because they know apple kills software that does that whenever they find it. This law means they have to deal with multiple different stores, that have no incentive to maintain platform security or user privacy. In fact they’re incentivized to abuse user privacy. As an iOS user I do not want the android experience. This law basically forces ios to have that. Malware and all. The only things this does is reduce user security, and give scummy publishers the ability to bypass AppStore rules the protect users (like “you must make discounting if subscriptions trivial”, “you don’t get to run a cruptominer in the background”, etc). Again, if you want to have the android experience, use android. Literally no one is stopping you.
  - ThatPlayer 5y ago
    I want a better iOS, not just an Android experience. Those are not the same thing. > an iOS user can get all the software that they want from the iOS AppStore, > apple kills software Which is exactly the problem. That Apple has monopoly power over iOS apps. > This law means they have to deal with multiple different stores And in the same way I can choose Android, you can choose to use to continue to use Apple App Store only. Do you think Apple should be the only smartphone manufacturers because you don't want to deal with multiple OSes? No, because you're not being forced to use all of them.
    - olliej 5y ago
      Do you think if google makes google calendar only available from the google store that many people will have a choice?
      - ThatPlayer 5y ago
        Yes. You can choose to use Apple Calendar. Can I not go on the Apple App Store and search for Calendar and easily get 10+ results? Are you forced to use Google Calendar? No, but you can choose to.
  - olyjohn 5y ago
    Nobody is forcing you to delete the Apple app store and sideload apps. Don't want that experience? Don't sideload apps and don't use alternate app stores. Literally no one is forcing you to install apps another way. Just because the feature is there, doesn't mean you have to use it.
    - olliej 5y ago
      Until, for example, google deploys its app through its own App Store, with its own “privacy” rules. Or epic: another company that has a novel approach to use privacy Or Facebook Etc, etc The only option goes “the AppStore with its various restrictions and protections” or “miscellaneous parties with a vested interest in destroying your privacy and/or complete lack of any review”

by olliej 5y ago

ThatPlayer 5y ago

No, it's only "generated through an interaction of a covered platform user with the business's products or services". Device ID and Locations aren't exactly generated through an interaction unless the user decides to give it. Exactly that's your choice. You can choose to continue being on Apple's App Store where they do check for all of these if you want. No one is forcing you to install give that credit card info. Don't take away my choice to choose otherwise. If I want to pay for something with credit card, shouldn't I be allowed to? Or if I wanted to run background processes on my devices?

olliej 5y ago
You do have a choice, for all of your examples: you can buy an android device. The iOS ecosystem is successful because that is what many people want. You want the android experience, but rather than getting an android, you want to force that on the people who prefer the iOS model. They like not having to worry about malware. Currently an iOS user can get all the software that they want from the iOS AppStore, and they don’t have to give random companies their CC#, they don’t have to worry about the app subverting their privacy, because they know apple kills software that does that whenever they find it. This law means they have to deal with multiple different stores, that have no incentive to maintain platform security or user privacy. In fact they’re incentivized to abuse user privacy. As an iOS user I do not want the android experience. This law basically forces ios to have that. Malware and all. The only things this does is reduce user security, and give scummy publishers the ability to bypass AppStore rules the protect users (like “you must make discounting if subscriptions trivial”, “you don’t get to run a cruptominer in the background”, etc). Again, if you want to have the android experience, use android. Literally no one is stopping you.
- ThatPlayer 5y ago
  I want a better iOS, not just an Android experience. Those are not the same thing. > an iOS user can get all the software that they want from the iOS AppStore, > apple kills software Which is exactly the problem. That Apple has monopoly power over iOS apps. > This law means they have to deal with multiple different stores And in the same way I can choose Android, you can choose to use to continue to use Apple App Store only. Do you think Apple should be the only smartphone manufacturers because you don't want to deal with multiple OSes? No, because you're not being forced to use all of them.
  - olliej 5y ago
    Do you think if google makes google calendar only available from the google store that many people will have a choice?
    - ThatPlayer 5y ago
      Yes. You can choose to use Apple Calendar. Can I not go on the Apple App Store and search for Calendar and easily get 10+ results? Are you forced to use Google Calendar? No, but you can choose to.
- olyjohn 5y ago
  Nobody is forcing you to delete the Apple app store and sideload apps. Don't want that experience? Don't sideload apps and don't use alternate app stores. Literally no one is forcing you to install apps another way. Just because the feature is there, doesn't mean you have to use it.
  - olliej 5y ago
    Until, for example, google deploys its app through its own App Store, with its own “privacy” rules. Or epic: another company that has a novel approach to use privacy Or Facebook Etc, etc The only option goes “the AppStore with its various restrictions and protections” or “miscellaneous parties with a vested interest in destroying your privacy and/or complete lack of any review”