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There are some other languages in Spain like Basque (pretty well known), Galician and Aragonese https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragonese_language https://en.m.

There are some other languages in Spain like Basque (pretty well known), Galician and Aragonese https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragonese_language https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragonese_language

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
Let's not forget Valencian, which if I understand correctly the Catalans gently pat on the head and say "there, there dear, if you want to pretend to be a different language from Catalan, we won't get in your way", while the Valencians irritatedly insist "It's not Catalan! It's a different language!"
- maxmalkav 5y ago
  It’s complicated than that. Valencian is at best a dialect of Catalan, the differences are not significant enough to considere them two separate languages. The rejection of considering Valencian as Catalan has some links to Blaverism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaverism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaverism a “weird” Spanish nationalist movement from Valencia with marked Anti-Catalan character. Oficial languages in Spain are Basque, Catalan, Galician and Spanish (obviously). They survive others such as Aragonese, Bable or Extremeñu. Plus the Spanish dialects such as the Southern ones.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
    > the differences are not significant enough to considere them two separate languages. There are beach-front plaques in at least 2 towns near Valencia that, ahem, vigorously dispute your position :) Also, s/Spanish/Castillian/ surely?
    - elnatro 5y ago
      Why shouldn’t the language be called Spanish? What about Italian or German?
      - cronopios 5y ago
        Because there are several other languages (Galician, Aragonese, Asturianu, Estremeñu, etc) that are just as Spanish as Castilian is. Did you notice that English is called English (from England) and not British? Quite logical IMHO, as in the UK several other languages are spoken (Welsh, Irish, Cornish, etc)
        elnatro 5y ago
        That’s nonsense in Italy and Germany there are other languages/dialects too and nobody changes the name to the main common language. The case of English is different as the language was mainly used una part of the country, while Spanish rapidly extended to all regions.
        cronopios 5y ago
        So, according to you, the Spanish constitution is nonsense: Article 3 1. Castilian is the official Spanish language of the State. All Spaniards have the duty to know it and the right to use it. 2. The other Spanish languages shall also be official in the respective Autonomous Communities in accordance with their Statutes. 3. The wealth of the different linguistic modalities of Spain is a cultural heritage that shall be the object of special respect and protection.
        elnatro 5y ago
        No, officially in Spain the language is Castilian. However, according to the RAE, it’s also called Spanish. Indeed the RAE recommends the use of “español” (Spanish) [1]. [1] https://www.rae.es/dpd/espa%C3%B1ol https://www.rae.es/dpd/espa%C3%B1ol
        darkwater 5y ago
        > That’s nonsense in Italy and Germany there are other languages/dialects too and nobody changes the name to the main common language. Because Italy is still in its nationalist infancy, being united as big, single, 19th century cool nation for a little more than 150 years. But many of the "dialects" spoken in Italy are actually different languages with different vocabulary, grammar rules etc.
    - harperlee 5y ago
      Not surely, and even surely not: https://rpstranslations.wordpress.com/2013/06/18/is-it-spanish-or-castilian/ https://rpstranslations.wordpress.com/2013/06/18/is-it-spani...
  - 6LLvveMx2koXfwn 5y ago
    In the (Spanish) Basque Country no one calls Basque 'Basque', it is almost universally referred to as Euskara.
    - elnatro 5y ago
      There is a Basque newspaper called “El diario Vasco” [1] so I’m afraid that your assessment is incorrect. [1] https://www.diariovasco.com https://www.diariovasco.com
      - 6LLvveMx2koXfwn 5y ago
        Doesn't that refer to the country or the people rather than the language? Perhaps I should have been clearer in my comment; In my experience almost no one in the Basque Country refers to the Basque language as 'Basque', it is generally referred to as Euskara, even by non-native speakers.
        elnatro 5y ago
        Well, one of my work buddies was Basque (sadly he passed away) and spoke about “vascos” all the time. He could speak Basque perfectly (even to the point of recognizing the different dialects) and he was from a small town, were Euskera es more prevalent. That’s my experience.
        thingsgoup 5y ago
        Vasco is to someone del país vasco as Brit is to someone from Britain. It’s referring to nationality not language.
        elnatro 5y ago
        He told me he saw some ad in “Vasco” in an occupied house…
        5y ago
  - ricardbejarano 5y ago
    > It’s complicated than that. Valencian is at best a dialect of Catalan If anything, Catalan is a dialect of Valencian since Valencian precedes Catalan. Source: look it up. Catalans are taught a different story in school, which makes most of them believe your statement. Source: I am from Catalonia and I was taught Valencian to be one of Catalan's dialects, until I met some friends from Valencia who educated me on the subject.
    - hutzlibu 5y ago
      "Source: look it up." Those are the best, especially on controversial subjects. You basically say, that first you learned in catalan, that valencian is just a catalan dialect - and then you was influenced by people from Valencia who told you otherwise and for some reasons you rather believed them. The question is, why should anyone here also believe those friends of yours? It just sounds to me, you have been influenced by different ideologies - as this is a politically loaded subject, where people usually do not apply scientific standards to a discussion, but rather emotions.
    - xondono 5y ago
      > If anything, Catalan is a dialect of Valencian since Valencian precedes Catalan. Source: look it up. I had a quick look around, and most sources seem to disagree with you, with the first records of Valencian coming from circa 1350 [0] and Catalan starting around 300 years before [1]. If you have any authoritative sources to back that claim up, I'd be interested in seeing them. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valencian_language#Authors_and_literature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valencian_language#Authors_and... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language#Middle_Ages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language#Middle_Ages
- acjohnson55 5y ago
  As a non-Spaniard, I find the feud amusing. > [...] when the European Union wanted to approve the European Constitution, the Valencian Government did not recognise the official translation wrote in Catalan from Barcelona and forced to have one in Valencian. To preserve the language unity, the Catalan Government accepted the Valencian translation has the official Catalan translation. Total big brother move.
- pqs 5y ago
  I'm from the Balearic Islands, Catalan (from Minorca) is my mother tongue. I aced the highest level Valencian (Nivell Superior) exam without studying. You judge if it is the same language or not.
- martibravo 5y ago
  Valencian is another name for the same language as Catalan. Those who disagree do so for political reasons, not actual linguistic reasons. Some sentences in both "languages" and English. Catalan/Valencian/English Bon dia/Bon dia/Good morning Avui fa bon temps/Hui fa bon temps/The weather is good today Volem acabar amb la COVID19/Volem acabar amb la COVID19/We want to end COVID19 Sembla que plourà/Pareix que plourà/Looks like it's going to rain. There are two difrent words in 4 sentences. I can't really see how that makes them separate languages.
lai-yin 5y ago
When I walked the Camino de Santiago (Catholic pilgrimage across Spain) there was one segment near the Pyrenees where lots of aggressive graffiti seemed to warn that "you are in Basque country now!"
- iamacyborg 5y ago
  Basque nationalism was quite a thing a few decades ago. I recall once my grandparents driving us from Pau in France down to Bilbao to see the Guggenheim, at one point we drove past the bombed out remains of a politicians car that had happened recently enough that it was still smoking.
  - severino 5y ago
    Well, Basque nationalism is still a thing, as they hold the 58% of the seats in their parliament. What we don't have now, fortunately, are armed Basque nationalist organizations.
    - iamacyborg 5y ago
      Yeah, sorry, poor choice of words on my part.

There are some other languages in Spain like Basque (pretty well known), Galician and Aragonese https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragonese_language https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragonese_language

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago

Let's not forget Valencian, which if I understand correctly the Catalans gently pat on the head and say "there, there dear, if you want to pretend to be a different language from Catalan, we won't get in your way", while the Valencians irritatedly insist "It's not Catalan! It's a different language!"

maxmalkav 5y ago
It’s complicated than that. Valencian is at best a dialect of Catalan, the differences are not significant enough to considere them two separate languages. The rejection of considering Valencian as Catalan has some links to Blaverism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaverism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaverism a “weird” Spanish nationalist movement from Valencia with marked Anti-Catalan character. Oficial languages in Spain are Basque, Catalan, Galician and Spanish (obviously). They survive others such as Aragonese, Bable or Extremeñu. Plus the Spanish dialects such as the Southern ones.
- PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
  > the differences are not significant enough to considere them two separate languages. There are beach-front plaques in at least 2 towns near Valencia that, ahem, vigorously dispute your position :) Also, s/Spanish/Castillian/ surely?
  - elnatro 5y ago
    Why shouldn’t the language be called Spanish? What about Italian or German?
    - cronopios 5y ago
      Because there are several other languages (Galician, Aragonese, Asturianu, Estremeñu, etc) that are just as Spanish as Castilian is. Did you notice that English is called English (from England) and not British? Quite logical IMHO, as in the UK several other languages are spoken (Welsh, Irish, Cornish, etc)
      - elnatro 5y ago
        That’s nonsense in Italy and Germany there are other languages/dialects too and nobody changes the name to the main common language. The case of English is different as the language was mainly used una part of the country, while Spanish rapidly extended to all regions.
        cronopios 5y ago
        So, according to you, the Spanish constitution is nonsense: Article 3 1. Castilian is the official Spanish language of the State. All Spaniards have the duty to know it and the right to use it. 2. The other Spanish languages shall also be official in the respective Autonomous Communities in accordance with their Statutes. 3. The wealth of the different linguistic modalities of Spain is a cultural heritage that shall be the object of special respect and protection.
        elnatro 5y ago
        No, officially in Spain the language is Castilian. However, according to the RAE, it’s also called Spanish. Indeed the RAE recommends the use of “español” (Spanish) [1]. [1] https://www.rae.es/dpd/espa%C3%B1ol https://www.rae.es/dpd/espa%C3%B1ol
        darkwater 5y ago
        > That’s nonsense in Italy and Germany there are other languages/dialects too and nobody changes the name to the main common language. Because Italy is still in its nationalist infancy, being united as big, single, 19th century cool nation for a little more than 150 years. But many of the "dialects" spoken in Italy are actually different languages with different vocabulary, grammar rules etc.
  - harperlee 5y ago
    Not surely, and even surely not: https://rpstranslations.wordpress.com/2013/06/18/is-it-spanish-or-castilian/ https://rpstranslations.wordpress.com/2013/06/18/is-it-spani...
- 6LLvveMx2koXfwn 5y ago
  In the (Spanish) Basque Country no one calls Basque 'Basque', it is almost universally referred to as Euskara.
  - elnatro 5y ago
    There is a Basque newspaper called “El diario Vasco” [1] so I’m afraid that your assessment is incorrect. [1] https://www.diariovasco.com https://www.diariovasco.com
    - 6LLvveMx2koXfwn 5y ago
      Doesn't that refer to the country or the people rather than the language? Perhaps I should have been clearer in my comment; In my experience almost no one in the Basque Country refers to the Basque language as 'Basque', it is generally referred to as Euskara, even by non-native speakers.
      - elnatro 5y ago
        Well, one of my work buddies was Basque (sadly he passed away) and spoke about “vascos” all the time. He could speak Basque perfectly (even to the point of recognizing the different dialects) and he was from a small town, were Euskera es more prevalent. That’s my experience.
        thingsgoup 5y ago
        Vasco is to someone del país vasco as Brit is to someone from Britain. It’s referring to nationality not language.
        elnatro 5y ago
        He told me he saw some ad in “Vasco” in an occupied house…
        5y ago
- ricardbejarano 5y ago
  > It’s complicated than that. Valencian is at best a dialect of Catalan If anything, Catalan is a dialect of Valencian since Valencian precedes Catalan. Source: look it up. Catalans are taught a different story in school, which makes most of them believe your statement. Source: I am from Catalonia and I was taught Valencian to be one of Catalan's dialects, until I met some friends from Valencia who educated me on the subject.
  - hutzlibu 5y ago
    "Source: look it up." Those are the best, especially on controversial subjects. You basically say, that first you learned in catalan, that valencian is just a catalan dialect - and then you was influenced by people from Valencia who told you otherwise and for some reasons you rather believed them. The question is, why should anyone here also believe those friends of yours? It just sounds to me, you have been influenced by different ideologies - as this is a politically loaded subject, where people usually do not apply scientific standards to a discussion, but rather emotions.
  - xondono 5y ago
    > If anything, Catalan is a dialect of Valencian since Valencian precedes Catalan. Source: look it up. I had a quick look around, and most sources seem to disagree with you, with the first records of Valencian coming from circa 1350 [0] and Catalan starting around 300 years before [1]. If you have any authoritative sources to back that claim up, I'd be interested in seeing them. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valencian_language#Authors_and_literature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valencian_language#Authors_and... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language#Middle_Ages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language#Middle_Ages
acjohnson55 5y ago
As a non-Spaniard, I find the feud amusing. > [...] when the European Union wanted to approve the European Constitution, the Valencian Government did not recognise the official translation wrote in Catalan from Barcelona and forced to have one in Valencian. To preserve the language unity, the Catalan Government accepted the Valencian translation has the official Catalan translation. Total big brother move.
pqs 5y ago
I'm from the Balearic Islands, Catalan (from Minorca) is my mother tongue. I aced the highest level Valencian (Nivell Superior) exam without studying. You judge if it is the same language or not.
martibravo 5y ago
Valencian is another name for the same language as Catalan. Those who disagree do so for political reasons, not actual linguistic reasons. Some sentences in both "languages" and English. Catalan/Valencian/English Bon dia/Bon dia/Good morning Avui fa bon temps/Hui fa bon temps/The weather is good today Volem acabar amb la COVID19/Volem acabar amb la COVID19/We want to end COVID19 Sembla que plourà/Pareix que plourà/Looks like it's going to rain. There are two difrent words in 4 sentences. I can't really see how that makes them separate languages.

lai-yin 5y ago

When I walked the Camino de Santiago (Catholic pilgrimage across Spain) there was one segment near the Pyrenees where lots of aggressive graffiti seemed to warn that "you are in Basque country now!"

iamacyborg 5y ago
Basque nationalism was quite a thing a few decades ago. I recall once my grandparents driving us from Pau in France down to Bilbao to see the Guggenheim, at one point we drove past the bombed out remains of a politicians car that had happened recently enough that it was still smoking.
- severino 5y ago
  Well, Basque nationalism is still a thing, as they hold the 58% of the seats in their parliament. What we don't have now, fortunately, are armed Basque nationalist organizations.
  - iamacyborg 5y ago
    Yeah, sorry, poor choice of words on my part.