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> De-policing was the goal and that goal has been partly achieved. Now we all get to live with it until trust is restored. I call this progress. There are man

> De-policing was the goal and that goal has been partly achieved. Now we all get to live with it until trust is restored. I call this progress. There are many people who do not think the police are effective at their jobs, or even a net good to society. I say this as a white male who has never had a positive interaction with the police in his life. I hear about the "good" cops but I never meet them, and I've met a lot of terrible cops. What I want is for the police to be held accountable to the public they are supposedly serving. Until we have that I am happy to see fewer of them because I do not believe they are serving the public, but are instead serving themselves (on the taxpayer's dime, no less).

nostromo 5y ago
This is a pretty typical opinion for progressive white men, who don't fear sexual violence the same way women often do, and often don't live in high-crime neighborhoods. When the violence reaches your front door, it'll be harder to be so privileged to think the answer is to get rid of all policing.
- OnlineGladiator 5y ago
  I once lived in one of the more dangerous neighborhoods in Chicago, where murder was pretty common (there were at least 3 murders within 5 blocks of where I lived, and probably more I didn't know about). And my girlfriends have all been pretty terrified of the police, often moreso than of other people. I'm not sure whether or not it matters, but they've all been raped, and they feel the police do not help at all. So I've seen the violence up close and I've listened to the vulnerable women, and I think the police are still part of the problem. One of my exes basically described them as legal thugs, and was terrified the police would rape her as well. You should look up statistics for police beating their wives, they're not exactly known for defending women against violence.
  - OnlineGladiator 5y ago
    I don't think I actually made my stance clear before - the police are the people I'm scared of. They are the criminals I fear. And they regularly get away with murder, and essentially all of them help cover up crimes. I have no idea how you can defend them unless you are willfully ignorant.
- david38 5y ago
  The vast majority of sexual violence is from people they know, mostly in situations where you wouldn’t call the police on the spot. Victims of street crimes are usually men. So which is it- is whiteness the problem because white women are also very susceptible to sexual assault, or is maleness the problem because men are the primary victims? You don’t have a monopoly on victimization.

nostromo 5y ago

This is a pretty typical opinion for progressive white men, who don't fear sexual violence the same way women often do, and often don't live in high-crime neighborhoods. When the violence reaches your front door, it'll be harder to be so privileged to think the answer is to get rid of all policing.

OnlineGladiator 5y ago
I once lived in one of the more dangerous neighborhoods in Chicago, where murder was pretty common (there were at least 3 murders within 5 blocks of where I lived, and probably more I didn't know about). And my girlfriends have all been pretty terrified of the police, often moreso than of other people. I'm not sure whether or not it matters, but they've all been raped, and they feel the police do not help at all. So I've seen the violence up close and I've listened to the vulnerable women, and I think the police are still part of the problem. One of my exes basically described them as legal thugs, and was terrified the police would rape her as well. You should look up statistics for police beating their wives, they're not exactly known for defending women against violence.
- OnlineGladiator 5y ago
  I don't think I actually made my stance clear before - the police are the people I'm scared of. They are the criminals I fear. And they regularly get away with murder, and essentially all of them help cover up crimes. I have no idea how you can defend them unless you are willfully ignorant.
david38 5y ago
The vast majority of sexual violence is from people they know, mostly in situations where you wouldn’t call the police on the spot. Victims of street crimes are usually men. So which is it- is whiteness the problem because white women are also very susceptible to sexual assault, or is maleness the problem because men are the primary victims? You don’t have a monopoly on victimization.