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It's not actual de-policing, as in "firing cops". It's a sea change in what cops are willing to do while on duty. They have watched the televised trials of co

It's not actual de-policing, as in "firing cops". It's a sea change in what cops are willing to do while on duty. They have watched the televised trials of cops who have--for whatever reason, just or unjust--been prosecuted for crimes committed while performing the jobs. In 2022, every cop looks at a call through the lens of "will I go to prison if I respond to this?". So now, we have criminals committing all sorts of crimes on the street (violent and not) and a police force that is unwilling to pursue these criminals for fear of the bad guy pulling a knife, or a gun, or having a heart attack while being arrested. The cop gets a felony charge, gets doxxed by the media and Twitter, and gets a spectacle trial, sometimes with the President of the United States weighing in, and usually ends up completely f'ed, even if found not guilty. It's much easier for them to just drive on by and let the crime happen and tell dispatch that they couldn't find the guy.

manuelabeledo 5y ago
> In 2022, every cop looks at a call through the lens of "will I go to prison if I respond to this?" Good. Why wouldn't we want police accountability? Even more, an officer is a public servant and must be held to a higher standard than petty criminals. The fact that some people would think otherwise is mind boggling.
- david38 5y ago
  That’s not how accountability works. Clearly you’ve never been in this sort of situation where the prescribed action is very close to what will get you sued or killed. Until people stop with “all cops” and stop painting all criminals as down-on-their-luck saints, we will stay this way. This is no different than saying “all men are rapists” or “all women are gold diggers”.
  - manuelabeledo 5y ago
    Wow, this is a pitiful take. > Clearly you’ve never been in this sort of situation where the prescribed action is very close to what will get you sued or killed. Clearly not, but why would that matter? I recognise three things. First, the purpose of police departments should be to protect citizens, not abuse them. Second, officers should be trained to de-escalate, not to shoot first and ask later. And third, the US clearly has issues with the use of force by their police. > This is no different than saying “all men are rapists” or “all women are gold diggers Is it customary among men and women to excuse and enable immoral or even criminal behaviours? It is not. But the same cannot be said about police departments and unions.
Clubber 5y ago
>"will I go to prison if I respond to this?" I mean people should think about that about anything they do. The fact that it's new to police is telling. It's because until now they see themselves as above the law, because they have been. The only cops I've seen get prosecuted are the egregious crimes. Anything anywhere close to borderline gets a pass, including killing unarmed people. Look at the cops who beat up that demented 73 year old lady in Colorado. They got a pass from every supervisor in their department and would still be employed if the lady's family didn't file a federal lawsuit and the news caught wind of it. Their supervisors should also face charges for covering it up, including that SOB police chief. If any police department should have everyone fired and rebuilt from the ground up, this is a perfect example. The video of her arrest exists, but don't watch it unless you wanna get really, and I mean really mad. Yes, good cops exist, but if I was a good cop and I found myself working at a department like this, I would find my morals extremely strained every day. I don't know how long I could work for them and sleep at night. Oh and fuck that Walmart employee and his/her supervisor for calling the animal cops too. And fuck Walmart the company for calling cops on demented old ladies. https://www.npr.org/2021/05/19/998433764/former-colorado-officers-who-arrested-73-year-old-woman-with-dementia-face-charg https://www.npr.org/2021/05/19/998433764/former-colorado-off... Schielke has noted that the department failed to take any action against the officer until media reports publicized Garner's violent arrest. This inaction was despite the fact that several other officers as well as supervisors were aware of what had happened. Only after reports did officials seek to launch an investigation into the incident resulting in Wednesday's charges, she said. /end rant
yibg 5y ago
Seems like a bunch of people throwing a tamper tantrum to me. "I can't get away with all the shit that I used to get away with, so I'm going to throw a fit".
- chrissnell 5y ago
  That's a very crass thing to say when you're not the one out on the street at night, tasked to deal with violent, sometimes psychotic sociopaths, who are often under the influence of methamphetamine [0] fentanyl. [0] see recent Atlantic article posted here on the "new meth"
  - yibg 5y ago
    Firstly, that's their job. It's not like a surprise for them to be dealing with criminals, mentally disturbed individuals etc. Secondly, that's not justification to use excessive, some times lethal force unnecessarily. Nor is it a reason to not hold cops that abuse their power accountable. What do you suggest? Let them do whatever they want because they have to deal with violent individuals some times?

manuelabeledo 5y ago

> In 2022, every cop looks at a call through the lens of "will I go to prison if I respond to this?" Good. Why wouldn't we want police accountability? Even more, an officer is a public servant and must be held to a higher standard than petty criminals. The fact that some people would think otherwise is mind boggling.

david38 5y ago
That’s not how accountability works. Clearly you’ve never been in this sort of situation where the prescribed action is very close to what will get you sued or killed. Until people stop with “all cops” and stop painting all criminals as down-on-their-luck saints, we will stay this way. This is no different than saying “all men are rapists” or “all women are gold diggers”.
- manuelabeledo 5y ago
  Wow, this is a pitiful take. > Clearly you’ve never been in this sort of situation where the prescribed action is very close to what will get you sued or killed. Clearly not, but why would that matter? I recognise three things. First, the purpose of police departments should be to protect citizens, not abuse them. Second, officers should be trained to de-escalate, not to shoot first and ask later. And third, the US clearly has issues with the use of force by their police. > This is no different than saying “all men are rapists” or “all women are gold diggers Is it customary among men and women to excuse and enable immoral or even criminal behaviours? It is not. But the same cannot be said about police departments and unions.

Clubber 5y ago

>"will I go to prison if I respond to this?" I mean people should think about that about anything they do. The fact that it's new to police is telling. It's because until now they see themselves as above the law, because they have been. The only cops I've seen get prosecuted are the egregious crimes. Anything anywhere close to borderline gets a pass, including killing unarmed people. Look at the cops who beat up that demented 73 year old lady in Colorado. They got a pass from every supervisor in their department and would still be employed if the lady's family didn't file a federal lawsuit and the news caught wind of it. Their supervisors should also face charges for covering it up, including that SOB police chief. If any police department should have everyone fired and rebuilt from the ground up, this is a perfect example. The video of her arrest exists, but don't watch it unless you wanna get really, and I mean really mad. Yes, good cops exist, but if I was a good cop and I found myself working at a department like this, I would find my morals extremely strained every day. I don't know how long I could work for them and sleep at night. Oh and fuck that Walmart employee and his/her supervisor for calling the animal cops too. And fuck Walmart the company for calling cops on demented old ladies. https://www.npr.org/2021/05/19/998433764/former-colorado-officers-who-arrested-73-year-old-woman-with-dementia-face-charg https://www.npr.org/2021/05/19/998433764/former-colorado-off... Schielke has noted that the department failed to take any action against the officer until media reports publicized Garner's violent arrest. This inaction was despite the fact that several other officers as well as supervisors were aware of what had happened. Only after reports did officials seek to launch an investigation into the incident resulting in Wednesday's charges, she said. /end rant

yibg 5y ago

Seems like a bunch of people throwing a tamper tantrum to me. "I can't get away with all the shit that I used to get away with, so I'm going to throw a fit".

chrissnell 5y ago
That's a very crass thing to say when you're not the one out on the street at night, tasked to deal with violent, sometimes psychotic sociopaths, who are often under the influence of methamphetamine [0] fentanyl. [0] see recent Atlantic article posted here on the "new meth"
- yibg 5y ago
  Firstly, that's their job. It's not like a surprise for them to be dealing with criminals, mentally disturbed individuals etc. Secondly, that's not justification to use excessive, some times lethal force unnecessarily. Nor is it a reason to not hold cops that abuse their power accountable. What do you suggest? Let them do whatever they want because they have to deal with violent individuals some times?