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I refer you to the parenthetical in my third paragraph. > whether due to official “depolicing” policies or soft pressure for police to minimize proactive polic

I refer you to the parenthetical in my third paragraph. > whether due to official “depolicing” policies or soft pressure for police to minimize proactive policing or due to reduced cooperation from the community or so on Note these findings regarding the St. Louis police department following the shooting of Michael Brown: > In the immediate aftermath of Brown’s death, self-initiated arrests fell 62 percent. Similar declines are seen across nine out of 11 categories of self-initiated activities, including foot patrol (down 82 percent) and pedestrian checks (76 percent). Notably, the decline in arrests is concentrated among misdemeanor arrests (more discretionary than felonies) and among arrests of blacks (rather than whites). This reduction in police activity persisted for at least the next two years. In the same period, the city experienced a significant rise in homicide and aggravated assault. https://www.city-journal.org/new-evidence-connects-police-protests-and-rising-violent-crime https://www.city-journal.org/new-evidence-connects-police-pr...

giraffe_lady 5y ago
Again I don't see how you're making the connection that any of these things are "due to" any others. Crime does rise and fall over time and the reasons are notoriously complex and difficult to understand as it's happening. The police are certainly confident that anti-police sentiment leads to rising crime, but I don't have any reason to accept that evaluation right now.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  There’s a lot of literature, some of which is touched on in the link I shared. In general: 1. Crime rarely surges so dramatically as it has in the last 6 years. Note that before 2014, crime had been trending down consistently for decades. 2. Homicides spiked all over the country following major BLM protests. 3. The counties with the largest BLM activity saw the largest decreases in proactive policing and commensurate increases in homicides. How much more evidence is required (and how many additional thousands need to die) before we get folks on board to reverse these trends?
  - KerrAvon 5y ago
    You got nonpartisan citations for those assertions? I’ve been unable to find anything to back 2 and 3.
- BobbyJo 5y ago
  By that same argument you have no reason to believe that pro-police sentiment causes an erosion of rights and safety.

giraffe_lady 5y ago

Again I don't see how you're making the connection that any of these things are "due to" any others. Crime does rise and fall over time and the reasons are notoriously complex and difficult to understand as it's happening. The police are certainly confident that anti-police sentiment leads to rising crime, but I don't have any reason to accept that evaluation right now.

throwaway894345 5y ago
There’s a lot of literature, some of which is touched on in the link I shared. In general: 1. Crime rarely surges so dramatically as it has in the last 6 years. Note that before 2014, crime had been trending down consistently for decades. 2. Homicides spiked all over the country following major BLM protests. 3. The counties with the largest BLM activity saw the largest decreases in proactive policing and commensurate increases in homicides. How much more evidence is required (and how many additional thousands need to die) before we get folks on board to reverse these trends?
- KerrAvon 5y ago
  You got nonpartisan citations for those assertions? I’ve been unable to find anything to back 2 and 3.
BobbyJo 5y ago
By that same argument you have no reason to believe that pro-police sentiment causes an erosion of rights and safety.