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I wonder if they could, in theory, sell you the car for 150% of it's final price (so that they seats are there when sold), then buy back the seats immediately f
by etskinner 5y ago
I wonder if they could, in theory, sell you the car for 150% of it's final price (so that they seats are there when sold), then buy back the seats immediately for 50% of its price. The invoice would say something like: Car with passenger seats: $15,000; Passenger seat buyback: $5,000; Total after buyback: $10,000.
That way everyone gets what they want, and they've technically sold it with the seats still installed.
- kentonv 5y agoLaw isn't interpreted by computers, it is interpreted by human judges, who generally aren't impressed by such hacks (though you might get lucky).
- dragonwriter 5y agoYeah, when the law allows additional sanction for willful/knowing violation, courts will not only often see through your “clever hack”, but also see it as evidence of deliberate wrongdoing.
- shawnz 5y agoAren't the seats themselves already a "hack"?
- vba616 5y agoAlso see: structuring. You have to report behavior X, and if you deliberately don't do behavior X to avoid reporting it, that's a crime too! Let's see you put that on the blockchain...
- colejohnson66 5y agoSee also: the $10k reporting threshold for banks. Deliberately doing smaller transfers to avoid the reporting threshold can be illegal (depending on intent), and the banks are legally mandated to report suspicious activity (such as that) as well.
- vba616 5y agoThat is what I meant.
- laurent92 5y agoIsn’t a lot of securization necessary for two more seats? Adding floor reinforcements, seatbelts, and more importantly, passing the crash tests with two more seats?
- thaeli 5y agoThey have to do that for the passenger version of the van anyway.
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- babypuncher 5y agoFrankly I think our justice system should be less tolerant of "hacks" like this. They clearly violate the intent of the law, even if technically following it to the letter.
- cgriswald 5y agoI prefer judges and lawyers interpret what the law says, not what they believe lawmakers meant to say. It is lawmakers responsibility to craft quality laws. Such hacks expose weaknesses in the laws as written. Edit: ...when successful.
- noizejoy 5y agoAnd I prefer to see judges and lawyers as safety valves for mitigating badly written legislation.
- dataflow 5y ago> It is lawmakers responsibility to craft quality laws. Judging by how hard it is for programmers to write bug-free instructions for literal computers, I'm not sure your expectation of flawless legislation is something realistic for mere mortals.
- cgriswald 5y agoThis is not my expectation. Law, like code, can and has been patched and rewritten.
- bjustin 5y agoAnd collect tax on $20,000 in sales instead of $10,000? Maybe they would be happy if car companies used this scheme.
- colejohnson66 5y agoThen the government would collect income tax from the owner on that rebate as well, no? Seems like an expensive operation.
- 908B64B197 5y agoOr have the dealerships take care of the aftermarket conversion. Ford should only have issued a guide to independent dealers and repair centers on how to do a conversion between cargo and passenger (and made sure both were possible) but only import the passenger version into the country. Then it's murkier, because not all dealerships would offer it and the customer isn't buying it from Ford, he's getting an independent dealer to install additional things (or remove) from the vehicle.